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Former source on here. Went to prison. AMA

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Is this meant to be directed at me
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It was but then I caught something that I didn’t before. Don’t worry about it. I’m glad you’re out and adjusting well. I did a few years in the Florida state DOC when I was younger. Shit sucked.
Let me ask you something, were you big and jacked when you entered the system? I was. I was 260lbs at 6’4” and pretty ripped. I felt like my size. Be a deterrent from anyone wanting to fuck with me and it was. But I also found being a big jacked white guy also made me a target in some camps I was at. How was your experience with that?
 

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It was but then I caught something that I didn’t before. Don’t worry about it. I’m glad you’re out and adjusting well. I did a few years in the Florida state DOC when I was younger. Shit sucked.
Let me ask you something, were you big and jacked when you entered the system? I was. I was 260lbs at 6’4” and pretty ripped. I felt like my size. Be a deterrent from anyone wanting to fuck with me and it was. But I also found being a big jacked white guy also made me a target in some camps I was at. How was your experience with that?
I was 6'3" 220 when I got arrested. I spent a year in county for all my court proceedings and stuff so I had dropped a lot of weight by the time I got to the camp. I've stayed around 185-190. At the camp it wasn't like that, nobody was going to check you to see where you were at or try to extort or anything. Jail nobody really did that either but the other white dudes in jail with me definitely did not like me at all. They felt like I thought I was better than them and that was 100% accurate lol.
 

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I was 6'3" 220 when I got arrested. I spent a year in county for all my court proceedings and stuff so I had dropped a lot of weight by the time I got to the camp. I've stayed around 185-190. At the camp it wasn't like that, nobody was going to check you to see where you were at or try to extort or anything. Jail nobody really did that either but the other white dudes in jail with me definitely did not like me at all. They felt like I thought I was better than them and that was 100% accurate lol.
I didn’t think about that. You would’ve been in the feds and I guess it’s hard to get bond when pre-trial on a federal charge?
I didn’t spend but a couple days in county jail. I was on the streets on bond for almost a year before I accepted a plea deal and was given 21 days before going into custody. I spent about 1 week in jail then before they took me to the doc reception center. I spent the entire time out in bond juicing heavy and gaining as much size as possible, I knew I was going to prison just didn’t know for how long. I was in for trafficking as well. It’s funny you mentioned the extortion game, because that’s exactly why I felt I was a target at some places because other white guys would try to hang with me because they felt being in my circle would be sort of a deterrent for the scrawny gang members who would want to extort them. I lost a lot of size too but not as much as I expected to(having lots of commissary helps). I never had anything more than a few empty threats and dirty looks tho. But I could feel the pressure in the air at some spots.

But enough about me sorry about that I guess as bodybuilders were all pretty self centered lol.

So how long were you doing what you did? What could you have done differently that would have prevented you from getting busted?
Say, for instance, me, or someone like me wanted to try it what advice would you give to someone to help keep the heat off them?
 

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I didn’t think about that. You would’ve been in the feds and I guess it’s hard to get bond when pre-trial on a federal charge?
I didn’t spend but a couple days in county jail. I was on the streets on bond for almost a year before I accepted a plea deal and was given 21 days before going into custody. I spent about 1 week in jail then before they took me to the doc reception center. I spent the entire time out in bond juicing heavy and gaining as much size as possible, I knew I was going to prison just didn’t know for how long. I was in for trafficking as well. It’s funny you mentioned the extortion game, because that’s exactly why I felt I was a target at some places because other white guys would try to hang with me because they felt being in my circle would be sort of a deterrent for the scrawny gang members who would want to extort them. I lost a lot of size too but not as much as I expected to(having lots of commissary helps). I never had anything more than a few empty threats and dirty looks tho. But I could feel the pressure in the air at some spots.

But enough about me sorry about that I guess as bodybuilders were all pretty self centered lol.

So how long were you doing what you did? What could you have done differently that would have prevented you from getting busted?
Say, for instance, me, or someone like me wanted to try it what advice would you give to someone to help keep the heat off them?
I had a 2 year run, almost 2 years to the date actually. What could I have done differently? I mean not using fake return addresses might have helped lol. The Truth is man that it's just the luck of the draw whether or not you get busted. You know probably one of the safest things you could do that would also be super awesome... Get you an f250 and a badass 5th wheel camper and run your lab like that. Just keep it moving. Go from Florida to Oregon, Oregon to Arizona, Arizona to Massachusetts etc.... Open up Po boxes with fake IDs and just stay mobile. Do this for 2 years, save as much as you can and then stop. There's no reason you couldn't save up a few hundred grand in that time and then you can do what you want to do that is legal. I wish I would have had that idea to begin with. But nothing is 100% safe. Some sources last years and years. Some don't even make it 18 months. But I can guarantee that eventually if you don't stop on your own you'll get popped.
 

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I had a 2 year run, almost 2 years to the date actually. What could I have done differently? I mean not using fake return addresses might have helped lol. The Truth is man that it's just the luck of the draw whether or not you get busted. You know probably one of the safest things you could do that would also be super awesome... Get you an f250 and a badass 5th wheel camper and run your lab like that. Just keep it moving. Go from Florida to Oregon, Oregon to Arizona, Arizona to Massachusetts etc.... Open up Po boxes with fake IDs and just stay mobile. Do this for 2 years, save as much as you can and then stop. There's no reason you couldn't save up a few hundred grand in that time and then you can do what you want to do that is legal. I wish I would have had that idea to begin with. But nothing is 100% safe. Some sources last years and years. Some don't even make it 18 months. But I can guarantee that eventually if you don't stop on your own you'll get popped.
Love the idea. Probably way easier said than done. Most people have things tying them to a certain location. I bet you did as well
 

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Holyyyyyyyyyyy shittttttttttt
It’s T.M the fucking guyyyyyyyy!!!!! Glad you’re out. I remember sooo many people thought you exit scammed, just a few of us had your back and then a few months after the fact an article came out if I remember correctly!

No more ginger snaps, and spreads!!!! Eat like a king!!! Wish you the best!
 

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Holyyyyyyyyyyy shittttttttttt
It’s T.M the fucking guyyyyyyyy!!!!! Glad you’re out. I remember sooo many people thought you exit scammed, just a few of us had your back and then a few months after the fact an article came out if I remember correctly!

No more ginger snaps, and spreads!!!! Eat like a king!!! Wish you the best!
Never man. My email account got taken over and some one was still taking orders after I had been raided. I assumed it was the feds but then they accused me of it. I guess it was a really well timed phishing scam I really don't know though. I tried to log in and delete the account but my password was changed. You know I didn't eat much commissary. I tried to here and there but the sodium content in most of that stuff is so high it would like fuck me up and make me feel hungover. I'm eating pretty good now. I'm surprised anyone found the article it didn't come out until like February a couple weeks after I actually got arrested and it made no mention of my lab name.
 

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Never man. My email account got taken over and some one was still taking orders after I had been raided. I assumed it was the feds but then they accused me of it. I guess it was a really well timed phishing scam I really don't know though. I tried to log in and delete the account but my password was changed. You know I didn't eat much commissary. I tried to here and there but the sodium content in most of that stuff is so high it would like fuck me up and make me feel hungover. I'm eating pretty good now. I'm surprised anyone found the article it didn't come out until like February a couple weeks after I actually got arrested and it made no mention of my lab name.
Oh dude when labs go MIA everybody on these forums will search and search until they find something, If a few months go by with no articles anywhere we all assume exit scam. A huge source on here a few months back stopped fulfilling orders and bam what do you know. I find an article on his raid because he lived 2 towns away. They never mentioned his name, or his lab but the photos on the article proved it was C.L. Which still makes me mad to this day cause I was making a shit ton of money just off reselling. He hooked me up fattttt! But anyways glad you are out bro! Fuck being in the joint! I’ve done bids myself, and would much rather work a 9-5 and pay taxes. Then have thousands of dollars and always watching over my back. I got caught in 2011 with just a little over 5 lbs, a gun, and scales. Never have drugs, and guns in the same dwelling.
 

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Oh dude when labs go MIA everybody on these forums will search and search until they find something, If a few months go by with no articles anywhere we all assume exit scam. A huge source on here a few months back stopped fulfilling orders and bam what do you know. I find an article on his raid because he lived 2 towns away. They never mentioned his name, or his lab but the photos on the article proved it was C.L. Which still makes me mad to this day cause I was making a shit ton of money just off reselling. He hooked me up fattttt! But anyways glad you are out bro! Fuck being in the joint! I’ve done bids myself, and would much rather work a 9-5 and pay taxes. Then have thousands of dollars and always watching over my back. I got caught in 2011 with just a little over 5 lbs, a gun, and scales. Never have drugs, and guns in the same dwelling.
Yeah I definitely learned my lesson. When I got to prison and really had time to sit there and reflect and think about things I'm just like damn why did I do that wild ass shit. Was it fucking awesome? Yeah most definitely. Was it worth it? I dunno probably not. I feel like I matured and learned from the experience though so I think i at least took something away from it. Don't make such reckless decisions for one. I do constantly worry if I can get out of life what I want out of it moving forward. Some things are replaceable some things are not.
 

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I was 6'3" 220 when I got arrested. I spent a year in county for all my court proceedings and stuff so I had dropped a lot of weight by the time I got to the camp. I've stayed around 185-190. At the camp it wasn't like that, nobody was going to check you to see where you were at or try to extort or anything. Jail nobody really did that either but the other white dudes in jail with me definitely did not like me at all. They felt like I thought I was better than them and that was 100% accurate lol.
Lol I had the same issue in Florida state prison. The other white dudes thought I and my "brothers" thought we were better than everyone else and I'll be honest I totally thought that. It leads to issues but the only physical problems I ever had were with black dudes. Every single time. My temper, way of carrying myself and strong dislike of perceived disrespect (the way I was at the time) didn't help deescalate anything but only black dudes did I ever get physical with. Prison is a weird place
 

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Lol I had the same issue in Florida state prison. The other white dudes thought I and my "brothers" thought we were better than everyone else and I'll be honest I totally thought that. It leads to issues but the only physical problems I ever had were with black dudes. Every single time. My temper, way of carrying myself and strong dislike of perceived disrespect (the way I was at the time) didn't help deescalate anything but only black dudes did I ever get physical with. Prison is a weird place
You definitely wouldn't have made it long at my camp then lol. There were a few black dudes there that were honestly some of the best guys at the camp. But most of the blacks and about half the Mexicans were so fucking disrespectful you wouldn't imagine. The problem is that at the camp everyone so comfortable they're not trying to fight about anything. Everyone has their cell phones, liquor (real liquor not homemade), meth, whatever you want. In my dorm white guys didn't even have their own tv but Mexicans have 3 tvs and blacks have 2. You gotta work in the morning and trying to sleep? Too bad they're partying until 2 am every night. Yelling across the dorm instead of just walking over there to talk to the person. I'm a quiet, more introverted person and that shit just absolutely killed me. The prison experience can be very different from one person to the next based on personality alone.
 

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What got you into brewing and aspiring to becoming a source?

How long did the transition from using AAS to selling them take and what was going on in your head and life at the time?

I saw you menionted how you sold everything you had to buy your first order of raws. That's a bold decision. Curious what was going on in your life leading up to that.

Great story man. Thanks for sharing.
 

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What got you into brewing and aspiring to becoming a source?

How long did the transition from using AAS to selling them take and what was going on in your head and life at the time?

I saw you menionted how you sold everything you had to buy your first order of raws. That's a bold decision. Curious what was going on in your life leading up to that.

Great story man. Thanks for sharing.
Pure desperation my friend. I first used anabolic steroids January 1st 2016. By august of that year I was applying to be a source and got approved actually in November. I was turned away initially as you probably saw. So the background.
I worked in the oilfield in Texas and got laid off in March 2015. The gist of it is, I went from making ~100k a year to like... 40k maybe. I could not find a job paying anywhere near enough to cover my bills. I had built a cabin in my dad's land with a pretty short term loan and had a nice pickup truck that I was upside down on. So through out 2015 and the first part of 2016 I was pretty much living off credit cards. I refinanced the loan for my cabin too and got some money for that. I was really just trying to get by until I found a better job to stop the financial bleeding. Well in June it all kinda came to a head. I officially ran out of money. Credit cards maxed out, refi loan money gone, plus I had proposed to my girlfriend and she initially said yes and then 2 weeks later broke up with me. So I was just fucked up man. Rough patch for sure. So I decided to file chapter 7 bankruptcy and enroll in school. So now not only am I broke as fuck, but I no longer have a home or vehicle. Note that I sold all my stuff prior to filing, because for one I needed the money to pay the lawyer and also didn't want them to have anything to take from me. So cool I got a plan to go to school, my buddy told me I could stay in his extra bedroom, but I didn't have a source of income. I was looking on SST one day back in the old reddit days mind you, and I saw freedom labs say something about getting 100 emails a day or something like that. And I was like fuuuucckk those guys must be making tons of money. I know I can never be like that but maybe I can try this out and make enough to put myself through school. So I just started googling how to make steroids lol. And started buying the stuff the internet said I needed. I definitely fucked up a little bit. I exploded a liter of tren in my buddy's kitchen. I bought non-separated capsules and had to sit there for fucking ever separating 5000 capsules. But I learned as I went. And I'd dare to say I matched freedom labs by the time it was all said and done. As I started getting orders I bought new raws, made new items, got professional labels made instead of the ones I printed at home. Had a pretty good lineup of pharmaceutical products. Clen, t3, t4, caber, hcg, HGH... Felt good man
 

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Pure desperation my friend. I first used anabolic steroids January 1st 2016. By august of that year I was applying to be a source and got approved actually in November. I was turned away initially as you probably saw. So the background.
I worked in the oilfield in Texas and got laid off in March 2015. The gist of it is, I went from making ~100k a year to like... 40k maybe. I could not find a job paying anywhere near enough to cover my bills. I had built a cabin in my dad's land with a pretty short term loan and had a nice pickup truck that I was upside down on. So through out 2015 and the first part of 2016 I was pretty much living off credit cards. I refinanced the loan for my cabin too and got some money for that. I was really just trying to get by until I found a better job to stop the financial bleeding. Well in June it all kinda came to a head. I officially ran out of money. Credit cards maxed out, refi loan money gone, plus I had proposed to my girlfriend and she initially said yes and then 2 weeks later broke up with me. So I was just fucked up man. Rough patch for sure. So I decided to file chapter 7 bankruptcy and enroll in school. So now not only am I broke as fuck, but I no longer have a home or vehicle. Note that I sold all my stuff prior to filing, because for one I needed the money to pay the lawyer and also didn't want them to have anything to take from me. So cool I got a plan to go to school, my buddy told me I could stay in his extra bedroom, but I didn't have a source of income. I was looking on SST one day back in the old reddit days mind you, and I saw freedom labs say something about getting 100 emails a day or something like that. And I was like fuuuucckk those guys must be making tons of money. I know I can never be like that but maybe I can try this out and make enough to put myself through school. So I just started googling how to make steroids lol. And started buying the stuff the internet said I needed. I definitely fucked up a little bit. I exploded a liter of tren in my buddy's kitchen. I bought non-separated capsules and had to sit there for fucking ever separating 5000 capsules. But I learned as I went. And I'd dare to say I matched freedom labs by the time it was all said and done. As I started getting orders I bought new raws, made new items, got professional labels made instead of the ones I printed at home. Had a pretty good lineup of pharmaceutical products. Clen, t3, t4, caber, hcg, HGH... Felt good man
Amazing storytelling. You should do a podcast or something.

Maybe what you did was illegal and you did time for it but you saw an opportunity, took a chance on something new, and made it happen for yourself. You can do that again.

What does the next 1-3 years look like for you? Do you have any vision of who you want to be now? What you want to do? Where do you want to go?
 

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Yeah I definitely learned my lesson. When I got to prison and really had time to sit there and reflect and think about things I'm just like damn why did I do that wild ass shit. Was it fucking awesome? Yeah most definitely. Was it worth it? I dunno probably not. I feel like I matured and learned from the experience though so I think i at least took something away from it. Don't make such reckless decisions for one. I do constantly worry if I can get out of life what I want out of it moving forward. Some things are replaceable some things are not.
Trust me my dude when I say I completely get it! There’s a lot of legal money out there you just got to go out there and get it! After my last bid, I got a job at a plant making well into the 6 figures and to my surprise I work with a lot of convicts. Take that same hustle you got, and do something meaningful, and legal! Get down to the oil fields! They make really good money!
 

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Amazing storytelling. You should do a podcast or something.

Maybe what you did was illegal and you did time for it but you saw an opportunity, took a chance on something new, and made it happen for yourself. You can do that again.

What does the next 1-3 years look like for you? Do you have any vision of who you want to be now? What you want to do? Where do you want to go?
Thanks man, you think joe Rogan would be interested lol. You know my cousin, when I was in China after the raid, he was like man I shouldn't say this but I'm kinda proud of you. For the exact reason you said. I didn't have anyone teach me anything. I remember reaching out to catalyst Labs with a question for tren stabilization, iso source showed me a good label printer in Amazon for the shipping labels... That's about it though.
The next 1-3 years. Well right now im displaced into a different state very far away from home because I needed to stay with a relative here. Right now I'm worrying about 2 things only. Saving money so I can move home next year, and building my body back up. I feel like a shell of myself and it makes me not really want to face the world. When I get home I'm hoping to go work for a good friend of mine selling cars. I'd like to get remarried and start a family. Losing my ex wife has probably been the hardest thing for me to get over st this point. But I'll be damned if I'm not scrolling on Facebook and I see this girl and I screen shot the profile and just send it to my buddy without any context. He said dude that looks just like (ex wife's name). So there's other girls out there lol. Id eventually like doing something for myself. Bulksupplements.com is kind of what id like to do only way better than them.
 

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Trust me my dude when I say I completely get it! There’s a lot of legal money out there you just got to go out there and get it! After my last bid, I got a job at a plant making well into the 6 figures and to my surprise I work with a lot of convicts. Take that same hustle you got, and do something meaningful, and legal! Get down to the oil fields! They make really good money!
I could definitely go back out there, I'm just not sure I really want to. That industry demands a lot from you and then gid forbid oil drops below $50 a barrel and then here comes the layoffs. But I'd consider doing it temporarily if I needed to. I have an e&I degree so maybe I could do something with that. But that's not in the plans right now
 

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Amazing storytelling. You should do a podcast or something.

Maybe what you did was illegal and you did time for it but you saw an opportunity, took a chance on something new, and made it happen for yourself. You can do that again.

What does the next 1-3 years look like for you? Do you have any vision of who you want to be now? What you want to do? Where do you want to go?
This right here. If you're able to be successful doing illegal things, you can absolutely be successful doing legal things. You already have what it takes and will make it happen if you want to. A lot of people don't realize it's the same qualities and traits that cause you to succeed no matter the legality of what you were doing.
 
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