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Winter Pharm Winstrol gave me gyno.

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700mg tren/week is plenty to cause prolactin gyno especially with nothing to combat it
 
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Blast is;
150 Test E (Southern Compounding test, never a problem with it)
100mg Tren A ED (WinterPharm)
75mg Winny ED (WinterPharm)

Is this really considered a blast? This seems like a cruise for most guys in here (besides the TREN). Anyways yea, 150mg a test shouldn’t give anyone gyno and Tren doesn’t and Winny shouldn’t either. The Winny could in fact be dbol but I’ve tried months of dbol and never gotten gyno, so…??? Who knows. The only thing you might want to consider is getting it tested by Jano or someone… How fast did the gyno set in anyways?

Although could you tell it was coming? Like I’ve heard you may or may not be getting it if there is a ball under the nipple that is sore. This would be BEFORE the true gyno sets in and some say Nolvadex can shrink them.
Anyone have any success on this?
A light cruise?!?!? 700mg of tren a week with 525mg of Winny or whatever mystical pill OP claims it might be per week, on top of the lower dosed test. I would like to know what your blast is if you think 1.4 Grams of gear a week is a cruise. @“yelruP” I see what you mean man. smh
I assume he misread and thought those 2 were weekly doses
I’m sorry man… I thought that was a week. Yea at those doses, who the hell knows. I actually have a similar symptom and i am on low dose test/deca/masteron but I’ve cut out my typical AI at the normal dose because
I didn’t want to kill my joints but .25 adex on Dbol is probably a must to be honest. After 1 adex it seemed to go away a bit already so “hopefully” it’s not TRUE gyno. The left one has zero issues only the right side.
I’m cutting out dbol soon anyways but I have read Deca can cause gyno too. I’ve only been on Deca for a few weeks though so I highly doubt that did anything. So I think I’m going to stick to the old 2x a week .25 adex for now and keep an eye on it. If I feel low E sides I’ll take that week off. No one wants painful breast tissue. It’s not noticeable at all at the moment only to me. It’s also not puffy it’s sort of a hard-ish knob under the skin
 
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700mg tren/week is plenty to cause prolactin gyno especially with nothing to combat it
Your first and only post is a load of absolute bullshit…


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Currently on week 5 of this blast and I’ve developed gyno and have constantly tingly and sore nipples. Been b&c for 18 months with NO issue. Current blast is one I’m very familiar with aside from the Winny, which I’ve never run before.

Blast is;
150 Test E (SouthernCompounding test, never a problem with it)
100mg Tren A ED (WinterPharm)
75mg Winny ED (WinterPharm)

Either a. My body decides to suddenly start aromatizing at 150mg Test (not likely) or b. This winstrol is fake, likely dbol (way more likely).

Also feel absolutely nothing in regards to the Tren. No sweats, sleep like a baby, no irritability, no increase in strength gains. Last time I ran Tren A at 100mg every day I experienced all of the above. This Tren is underdosed.
What a moronic cycle. Adjust your dosages, get the winny tested, and try again man.
 
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
 
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My first guess would have been prolactin but as per your last sentence I have no idea. What have you done so far to try to remedy it? Any extra ai or ralox or a DA?
Started 20mg Nolva ED about a week ago. Gyno hasn’t gotten worse but not better either.
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I’m pretty sure winter gets his stuff tested. I have used his tren in the past and it worked great for me even at low doses. @winterpharm can definitely give u results I’m sure he’s a great guy
Oh I forgot to mention in my OP, but IF this is dbol instead of Winny I’m not saying it is an intentional attempt at being deceitful. I ordered Winny.and Accutane from him and they both look identical. Possibly something got mixed up?

But the fact remains I’ve developed gyno from this blast, and the only thing new to me is the Winny. From what I read Winstrol cannot cause gyno and if you are getting gyno from Winstrol, it’s likely not Winstrol.
Never used their orals so unsure if he has different capsules or pills, but yeah gyno from winny sounds unlikely. Also zero sides from 700mg tren is odd, are you getting noticeable tren physique changes? The tren I got from him was great, but as I said was a while ago
Yes I’m definitely leaning out despite eating everything I sight. I don’t think the trens bunk or anything, just underdosed or magic lol. The last 2 times I ran Tren at 100mg the sides were brutal. I’m mostly just worried about the Winstrol though.
You should get bloods done. You get store credit with SoCo anyways just make sure you check your prolactin, id think that to be the culprit
“You should get bloods done.” Listen to this guy. Speculation and how someone feels is not worth a shit. Only bloods will tell you the problem instead of taking more unnecessary meds. Literally, nothing else needs to be said. Get bloods. Period.
 
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
Low test high tren is pretty common, less water retention, some people believe it to lower the sides from tren. I’ve never used high test with tren before so I can’t say if it’s true or not.
 
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
Low test high tren is pretty common, less water retention, some people believe it to lower the sides from tren. I’ve never used high test with tren before so I can’t say if it’s true or not.
I am personally running 1:1 ratio testE/TrenE, so far so good on having little to no side effects but I am not even 4 weeks in yet. We shall see what happens when these long esters are in full effect.
 
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
Low test high tren is pretty common, less water retention, some people believe it to lower the sides from tren. I’ve never used high test with tren before so I can’t say if it’s true or not.
I am personally running 1:1 ratio testE/TrenE, so far so good on having little to no side effects but I am not even 4 weeks in yet. We shall see what happens when these long esters are in full effect.
Let me know. I’m on 210mg test ace 350mg tren ace. So far just having nightmares and getting a little more agitated but nothing crazy. Oh and I want to fuck my fiancé 3-4 times a day. I feel like I need to get myself off twice a day in order to not go crazy
 
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
Low test high tren is pretty common, less water retention, some people believe it to lower the sides from tren. I’ve never used high test with tren before so I can’t say if it’s true or not.
I am personally running 1:1 ratio testE/TrenE, so far so good on having little to no side effects but I am not even 4 weeks in yet. We shall see what happens when these long esters are in full effect.
Let me know. I’m on 210mg test ace 350mg tren ace. So far just having nightmares and getting a little more agitated but nothing crazy. Oh and I want to fuck my fiancé 3-4 times a day. I feel like I need to get myself off twice a day in order to not go crazy
Hahaha don’t see anything wrong with that my man. Crazy how much quicker the prop esters kick in. This is actually my first “big boi” blast 400testE/400trenE/400mastE/600Eq/4iu generic GH Ed. So it’s Been 25 days on
Those compounds and about 5 months on GH. Hoping the mast counteracts the “mood” of tren and the GH fights off the insomnia when the tren is In full effect. I plan on increasing the dosages as the weeks go on if the sides are minimal. EQ takes like 10 weeks to fully kick in so this is going to be a longer cycle. We shall see. Good luck us!!!
 
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I like my test around 500-600 always. My question, is what do you expect to get from keeping your test at natural levels during a cycle? Again, im all for lower test with tren, but trt with 700mgs of tren just seems dumb as hell.
 
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So I compeltely stopped the Winny the day I made this post. Took 12.5mg Asin EOD for 3 DOSES, and been on Nolva for about a week and a half. Nipples are no longer sensitive, acne os clearing up, bloats gone, and most importantly the lumps under my nipples are about 1/3 their original size and no longer hurt. I did not stop or lower the Tren.
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Currently on week 5 of this blast and I’ve developed gyno and have constantly tingly and sore nipples. Been b&c for 18 months with NO issue. Current blast is one I’m very familiar with aside from the Winny, which I’ve never run before.

Blast is;
150 Test E (SouthernCompounding test, never a problem with it)
100mg Tren A ED (WinterPharm)
75mg Winny ED (WinterPharm)

Either a. My body decides to suddenly start aromatizing at 150mg Test (not likely) or b. This winstrol is fake, likely dbol (way more likely).

Also feel absolutely nothing in regards to the Tren. No sweats, sleep like a baby, no irritability, no increase in strength gains. Last time I ran Tren A at 100mg every day I experienced all of the above. This Tren is underdosed.
Get bloods done with Testosterone - Estrogen - Prolactin ASAP and report back. Not in a week or couple of days - order the panel right now and make an appointment. Once you get results we can discuss this further.
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I’m pretty sure winter gets his stuff tested. I have used his tren in the past and it worked great for me even at low doses. @winterpharm can definitely give u results I’m sure he’s a great guy
Oh I forgot to mention in my OP, but IF this is dbol instead of Winny I’m not saying it is an intentional attempt at being deceitful. I ordered Winny.and Accutane from him and they both look identical. Possibly something got mixed up?

But the fact remains I’ve developed gyno from this blast, and the only thing new to me is the Winny. From what I read Winstrol cannot cause gyno and if you are getting gyno from Winstrol, it’s likely not Winstrol.
I wanted to touch up (as I just saw this) both your orals look identical, as they should aside from the label. All my capsules currently are white/white unless you’re ordering older batches of HCTZ which would be green/white. My filler is also chocolate whey across the board for all orals.
Can’t get bloods done atm. Currently on a cross country trip.
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How the fuck can you call out a source who has had no problem with any other customer before you verify what you are saying in any way? This is the shit that causes drama…
This is the ANECDOTAL REVIEW section. I thought it was understood this review is ANECDOTAL.
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700mg tren/week is plenty to cause prolactin gyno especially with nothing to combat it
This is my 3rd 700mg Tren run and by far the weakest Tren I’ve ever run. Never had an issue before, even when running 700mg Tren and 525 NPP together. Also, my dick still works fine and my nipples aren’t swollen or leaking.
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I’m only a bit confused on the blast as far as the Test goes. 150 a week? But blasting tren ED and winny ED? Why such low test?
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I like my test around 500-600 always. My question, is what do you expect to get from keeping your test at natural levels during a cycle? Again, im all for lower test with tren, but trt with 700mgs of tren just seems dumb as hell.
This is a cutting/recomp cycle I’ve run twice before and is pretty common.
 
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My winny from Winter just landed today… on Memorial Day.
I feel pretty confident its winstrol, but I’ll let you fellas know how it goes.
 
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This is the ANECDOTAL REVIEW section. I thought it was understood this review is ANECDOTAL.
An anecdote would be “I was on winstrol from winter and have been experiencing gyno symptoms” not “Winstrol gave me gyno” the difference is your experience vs an deflamtory statement.

It’s still good to post obviously but if you’re gonna flame someone with accusations you want to bring evidence
 
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Late to this thread but Winstrol and Nandralone are known to upregulate aromatose expression resulting in higher estrogen and can therefore cause gyno when paired with Test. Please do more research before putting anabolic substances in your body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22906881
 
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Late to this thread but Winstrol and Nandralone are known to upregulate aromatose expression resulting in higher estrogen and can therefore cause gyno when paired with Test. Please do more research before putting anabolic substances in your body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22906881
I would consider re-reading that.
 
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Late to this thread but Winstrol and Nandralone are known to upregulate aromatose expression resulting in higher estrogen and can therefore cause gyno when paired with Test. Please do more research before putting anabolic substances in your body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22906881
I would consider re-reading that.
Or consider a mammogram
 
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I’ve taken winstrol from Winter and am confudent it was winstrol. LabMaxed it for extra security but it also felt like winstrol in every way and I’ve run it a few times from various sources. Just anectodal but figured I’d throw my experience in.
 
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My TWO CENTS

Got anavar from said lab. Was on 4th week of LnL anavar beforte I switched.

Heart burn
stomach issues
Lethargic
Starting look less dry, but joints hurt pretty bad…mainly knees.

Again, I am NOT reviewing anything or any source.
 
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My TWO CENTS

Got anavar from said lab. Was on 4th week of LnL anavar before I switched.

Heart burn
stomach issues
Lethargic
Starting look less dry, but joints hurt pretty bad…mainly knees.

Again, I am NOT reviewing anything or any source.
Yea everyone is different. Most guys LOVE Anavar. I’ll admit some days Anavar made me feel like a god in the gym but it was 2 days out of 30. On those 2 days I did not want to stop lifting and hit my best bench ever at 260 pounds when I was about 158 I think… however I started getting MAD hamstring cramps and strange cramps in strange places and I couldn’t wait to stop it.

As usual I had a strange side effect from too much Masteron too though. My lips pretty much went instantly dry as if I was in the artic and I never felt they were chapped but they were, very strange. I stopped using that high of Masteron this week. I was up around 450 a week not for very long at all, maybe 2 weeks. I dropped it back to 250mg. I used to love proviron too but that was causing the same cramps as Anavar so I stopped that as well. I’ll take one every now and then just to see how fast that cramping comes back. It does seem to come back just not as severe.
 
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My TWO CENTS

Got anavar from said lab. Was on 4th week of LnL anavar beforte I switched.

Heart burn
stomach issues
Lethargic
Starting look less dry, but joints hurt pretty bad…mainly knees.

Again, I am NOT reviewing anything or any source.
These sides only appeared after you switched, right? I got var from a diff source and I got all these minus joint pain.
 
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