Running the same cycle back to back

[Jwebsterite]

This is going to be my 4th cycle and I have mostly been focusing on the bulk (39yrs, been lifting weights since I was 22, with a strong man type of lifting approach, 6'1 255lbs, 19%bf).

My last cycle was amazing and I loved the results. 500mg test c /week 16 weeks, and 50mg Anadrol daily 4 weeks. The only issues I saw with adding Anadrol was the increase in blood pressure which resolved by the end of cycle.

I wanted to see what a Dbol cycle would be like but I already loved the Anadrol. What's your opinion of running the same cycle back to back, or should I try Dbol and come back to Anadrol next year?

 

[KillTheKing]

This is going to be my 4th cycle and I have mostly been focusing on the bulk (39yrs, been lifting weights since I was 22, with a strong man type of lifting approach, 6'1 255lbs, 19%bf).

My last cycle was amazing and I loved the results. 500mg test c /week 16 weeks, and 50mg Anadrol daily 4 weeks. The only issues I saw with adding Anadrol was the increase in blood pressure which resolved by the end of cycle.

I wanted to see what a Dbol cycle would be like but I already loved the Anadrol. What's your opinion of running the same cycle back to back, or should I try Dbol and come back to Anadrol next year?

I'm getting ready to try inj dbol so I'm interested in this too

 

[dick_starbuck]

Drugs work no matter how many times you use then.

If you want to experiment, try something new.

If you want to stick with something you know you react well to, stick with it.

Also high blood pressure is a silent killer. Get some blood pressure meds even if you're only using them on cycle. Your kidneys will thank you for it.

 

[Jwebsterite]

Drugs work no matter how many times you use then.

If you want to experiment, try something new.

If you want to stick with something you know you react well to, stick with it.

Also high blood pressure is a silent killer. Get some blood pressure meds even if you're only using them on cycle. Your kidneys will thank you for it.

Appreciate the feedback. Any specific recommendations for BP meds?

 

[Jarmaynee]

Appreciate the feedback. Any specific recommendations for BP meds?

Apparently Cialis works well for regulating blood pressure. Ppl have been saying running a small dosage of 5mgs a day is enough.

 

[Bigdovis2]

How long of a break in between?

Go good were your bloods?

 

[Jwebsterite]

How long of a break in between?

Go good were your bloods?

I am doing blasting and cruising. About 9 weeks in to my cruise of 150mg test c / week. I'll cruise for another 8 more weeks then I'll jump back on my blast again.

My last labs were 2 weeks post cycle. My HDL was low but LDL, Cholesterol, and Triglycerides were with in range. AST ALT were with in range thanks to NAC, and TUDCA supplement I take daily. BP got as high as 150/96 during Anadrol Cycle and recently was taken of 120/76. I feel really good about those numbers. They are all within a few points of what they are when I wasn't on cycle

 

[Bigdovis2]

I am doing blasting and cruising. About 9 weeks in to my cruise of 150mg test c / week. I'll cruise for another 8 more weeks then I'll jump back on my blast again.

My last labs were 2 weeks post cycle. My HDL was low but LDL, Cholesterol, and Triglycerides were with in range. AST ALT were with in range thanks to NAC, and TUDCA supplement I take daily. BP got as high as 150/96 during Anadrol Cycle and recently was taken of 120/76. I feel really good about those numbers. They are all within a few points of what they are when I wasn't on cycle

Yeah. Seems alright. I mean in my eyes bodybuilding will get unhealthy at certain point. It’s key to attempt address them as best as you can to mitigate.

Like with the adrol, getting telmisartan or somthing to help with the bp then cholesterol meds on hand just in case, something to consider if you haven’t already.

9 weeks is good, personally I’ve waiting 6. Most recently I’ve taken the approach of titrating up and calling it a max of 24 -28 weeks, but in doing this I choose stuff that is “heath conscious” test primo gh, so no orals or anything to really need worrying about.

Id say just get bloods, if all looks good at this point, run it.

Orals are fun man, just watch out. Not saying you’ll drop dead but ofc orals aren’t the best.

 

[Case-Akilleez]

Appreciate the feedback. Any specific recommendations for BP meds?

Invest in proper BP meds if you need them. Cialis isn’t going to cut it. I personally use Lisinopril.

 

[Guc_Nukem]

Appreciate the feedback. Any specific recommendations for BP meds?

I always recommend Losartan if you can get your hands on it. Lisinopril works great, but can give some people pretty wicked dry mouth.

 

[JDLift]

In my years of experience I've realized from personal usage results and from forum/IRL feedback that drug response is different but we can group a lot of drugs together and then pick whichever one we respond best to of the lot for the same overall benefits. Let me break it down a bit; Here are the groupings of drugs that all have almost the exact same functions:

Dbol, Anadrol, Superdrol

Tren, NPP, Deca, Trest

Anavar, Tbol, Winstrol (oral)

Equipoise, Masteron, Winstrol (inj)

Mtren, Halo, Milbolerone (prob spelled wrong)

Basically you want to figure out which of the drugs in each grouping you personally respond best to and then just continue running that one because they do the same thing roughly in each grouping but you're just sacrificing results if you go with one you respond less to.
So for example:

Lifter A responds best to Dbol, NPP, Anavar, Mast, Milbolerone
Lifter B responds best to Anadrol, Trest, Tbol, EQ, Mtren

Both should make all of their cycles some combination of Test + any of those 5 drugs for the rest of their time using gear. Sure, they *can* use another one but it's just not gonna be as efficient.
Once you know what you work best on, just keep doing it. Personally I respond best on Dbol, Deca, Anavar, Winny, Halo. The others seemed to provide less overall benefit based on training logs/meet performance at the time I was running them, or had some sort of effect I disliked which made them undesirable. I know that if I stick with these I am guaranteed to have a good, productive, comfortable run until I cruise again.

To go further: Narrow down your effective doses. Did 50mg/day of Dbol work better than 25mg/day? Did 100mg/day actually help any more noticeably than 50? etc, figure these things out. I have gradually reduced doses from when I began to now (Most people can do this as we need less and less to maintain existing performance/physiques and build on them btw) and I can now peak for comp on a cruise dose of test, 25mg/day Dbol PWO, 300mg/wk Deca, 50mg day Var PWO and I do not necessarily *need* Winny or Halo at all but I know they will help if I feel in the last week of prep that I'm not prepared for my projected 2nd or 3rd attempts for any reason.

Logs are your friend, keep notes of shit in whatever way makes most sense to you.

 

[KillTheKing]

I always recommend Losartan if you can get your hands on it. Lisinopril works great, but can give some people pretty wicked dry mouth.

I happen to have some of that sitting around. My BP has been a little high but nothing major. What's a good dose and how long does it take to start lowering the BP?

 

[dick_starbuck]

Appreciate the feedback. Any specific recommendations for BP meds?

I personally recommend Telmisartan.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Apparently Cialis works well for regulating blood pressure. Ppl have been saying running a small dosage of 5mgs a day is enough.

Cialis is definitely not going to cut it for hypertension on its own.

Get real blood pressure meds. Cialis may benefit a polypharmacy approach to blood pressure management but on its own its not strong enough.

 

[Guc_Nukem]

I happen to have some of that sitting around. My BP has been a little high but nothing major. What's a good dose and how long does it take to start lowering the BP?

I believe about 3 weeks to kick in.

I would start at 25mg daily, and titrate up to 50mg if necessary.

 

[KillTheKing]

I believe about 3 weeks to kick in.

I would start at 25mg daily, and titrate up to 50mg if necessary.

Ok thank you. I'll start taking it tonight. I was hoping I could get it to come down with cardio and getting this E2 in check, but unfortunately it's not helping.

 

[Guc_Nukem]

Ok thank you. I'll start taking it tonight. I was hoping I could get it to come down with cardio and getting this E2 in check, but unfortunately it's not helping.

Are you sleeping well? Because sleeping like shit will fuck your BP up more than just about any other issue.

Being sick will also bump up your BP quite a bit.

Short term you can use things like cialis, aspirin, donating blood, and diuretics to help bring your BP down a bit, depending on what is causing your BP to jump up, but these are absolutely not long term solutions.

Just be conscientious that nsaids do mess with BP meds.

From my observation, water retention and stimulant abuse is what seems to get most folks. I don't know where you fall, but it's food for thought while you're troubleshooting.

 

[KillTheKing]

Are you sleeping well? Because sleeping like shit will fuck your BP up more than just about any other issue.

Being sick will also bump up your BP quite a bit.

Short term you can use things like cialis, aspirin, donating blood, and diuretics to help bring your BP down a bit, depending on what is causing your BP to jump up, but these are absolutely not long term solutions.

Just be conscientious that nsaids do mess with BP meds.

From my observation, water retention and stimulant abuse is what seems to get most folks. I don't know where you fall, but it's food for thought while you're troubleshooting.

Well I've always had perfect bp until I started this cycle of test. Nothing has changed really other than doing test. I did start eating a lot more but I'm almost certain it's the test.

 

[Guc_Nukem]

Well I've always had perfect bp until I started this cycle of test. Nothing has changed really other than doing test. I did start eating a lot more but I'm almost certain it's the test.

Test alone does not typically increase BP enough to become a problem unless the issue is rooted in a high RBC. This doesn't sound like your first cycle? It would be weird for it to increase your BP this time unless it's related to something like your RBC, or your body has become allergic to something in your gear and this is really related to an immune response to the gear.

It's speculative but some people do become allergic to carrier oils or the solvents in their gear over time.

 

[KillTheKing]

Test alone does not typically increase BP enough to become a problem unless the issue is rooted in a high RBC. This doesn't sound like your first cycle? It would be weird for it to increase your BP this time unless it's related to something like your RBC, or your body has become allergic to something in your gear and this is really related to an immune response to the gear.

It's speculative but some people do become allergic to carrier oils or the solvents in their gear over time.

Yes, it is my first cycle. Started at 400 a week for 6 weeks and I recently went to 500 a week. That's weird that you say that because most of what I've read and heard says high blood pressure is pretty common on test only cycles.