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im back, 4 orals at once, low dose, insane pyramid cycle, please comment or ur gay

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Whats up, I havent been here in a minute.

Ive been out of the gym and on a cruise for the past 2 years, and I started working out 2 weeks ago and currently growing into my muscle memory gains as we speak.

Most injectables Ive used give me awful sides, and im at the age and experience of not trying to put on huge gains, just an added bonus to my TRT to make super slow gains and to make workouts more enjoyable.
my problem is,
-Tren gives me nasty acne, (Ive never tried low dose like 50-100mg tren e but I had such a bad experience at higher doses Im terrifed to try)
-Deca makes me insane, (Ive done up to a gram, i fully believe its a pregnancy hormone which is not good for a man to have for his mental health)
-Test, Im not a fan of the aromitization and I dont think the higher doses give me good gains.


Now I know what most of you are thinking, add "Low dose anavar" "50-100mg deca", or "add like 400mg Primo"
-Anavar im gonna run, im a big believer in it.
-Deca, I have access to pharma that comes in 50mg amps, ive been considering it because of the magic strength of pharma gear, It sounds ideal because I do love Deca joints, fullness and happiness in the beginning, but honestly even at 50mg, having to run it for like 6 months makes me worried Id slowly slip into some mental sides that will take forever to get out of, if I ever realize it.
-Primo is too expensive, Id want to run like a gram of that shit and that would be like $160 a month, which I can afford.. but fuck it better be good..
Definately considering it... I guess the only way to find out is to try it myself, I dont trust everyone else to not be placebo.d by internet forums and youtube.


So this leads me to orals, Im a fan of orals due to being able to drop them quickly if I get any sides, and theyre just plain fun.

Im a big believer nowadays in pyramiding cycles, both to give your body time to upregulate receptors and the fact the body gets used to and develops a tolerence for anything you give it.

Heres my plan, i have raw anavar, tbol, winstrol and adrol.
Base is 150mg pharma testosterone enanthate per week, ejected Eod which brings me to 1300 ng/dl and 6.25mg pharma asin EoD which brings me to 22 ng/dl e2.

week 1 10mg anavar 10mg tbol
week 2 10mg anavar 20mg tbol 5mg adrol
week 3 15mg anavar 30mg tbol 10mg adrol
week 4 20mg anavar 40mg tbol 15mg adrol
week 5 20mg anavar 50mg tbol 20mg adrol
week 6 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 25mg adrol 5mg winstrol
week 7 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 30mg adrol 7.5mg winstrol
week 8 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 35mg adrol 10mg winstrol
week 9 20mg anavar 30mg tbol 40mg adrol 15mg winstrol
 
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Any plans on liver protection?
no, i dont really believe in liver production products and like the first 1/3rd of the cycle are baby doses so that brings it down to like a 6 week cycle
 

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Don’t mean to be a hater, but this is one of the worst cycles/ideas I’ve seen. You state injectables give you terrible sides, yet you’ve never ran low doses of Tren, so you’ve only ran high doses? you’ve ran Deca up to a gram and you don’t think test at higher doses give you good gains. You seem to be a high dose junkie, no wonder you get terrible sides. You don’t need a gram of primo, anything past 600mg you can’t tell a difference. Also, don’t believe in liver support? While fixing to jump on every oral there is? Yikes! I’d suggest moderate dose Test 300mg-500mg and 400-600mg primo with 50mg anavar 4-6 weeks. Can’t afford primo, run mast. Not the same thing but close enough.
 

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Agreed above aside from my one suggestion is to stop, reevaluate your desire for AAS use, eat more, drink more water, train harder, do cardio and see how it goes in 6 months
 

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Go for it. You're not new to this shit so you already know how things go, you already know the REAL effects on the organs from gear, you're probably doing blood work at least semi-annually, I mean you've been here since probably Reddit SST days and honestly I'd suggest you not take advice from anyone who hasn't been at it at least half that long. Lot of people that joined a few months ago trying to advise a 4+ year veteran user lol.. Ignore it all. Yeah I know joining date isn't *always* indicative of how long someone's been using for, but it's the only metric we have that can't be bullshitted which gives slight insight into how much experience someone here has.

You know the 'liver toxicity' shit is overblown, you know TUDCA and other shit is just pissing away money, you know how to eat 'right' and be generally healthy with your usage so go for it all in. Report back in February, ignore the newbies that are caught up in fear mongering because MPMD told them steroids is r the dangerous.
 

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Go for it. You're not new to this shit so you already know how things go, you already know the REAL effects on the organs from gear, you're probably doing blood work at least semi-annually, I mean you've been here since probably Reddit SST days and honestly I'd suggest you not take advice from anyone who hasn't been at it at least half that long. Lot of people that joined a few months ago trying to advise a 4+ year veteran user lol.. Ignore it all. Yeah I know joining date isn't *always* indicative of how long someone's been using for, but it's the only metric we have that can't be bullshitted which gives slight insight into how much experience someone here has.

You know the 'liver toxicity' shit is overblown, you know TUDCA and other shit is just pissing away money, you know how to eat 'right' and be generally healthy with your usage so go for it all in. Report back in February, ignore the newbies that are caught up in fear mongering because MPMD told them steroids is r the dangerous.
Okay you can wipe your chin now. I’ll agree with running the cycle and reporting back though, dosages aren’t crazy by any means, just a different protocol. Most importantly though is who is this 40$ Primo source if a gram a week comes out to $160 a month? Lol
 

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Go for it. You're not new to this shit so you already know how things go, you already know the REAL effects on the organs from gear, you're probably doing blood work at least semi-annually, I mean you've been here since probably Reddit SST days and honestly I'd suggest you not take advice from anyone who hasn't been at it at least half that long. Lot of people that joined a few months ago trying to advise a 4+ year veteran user lol.. Ignore it all. Yeah I know joining date isn't *always* indicative of how long someone's been using for, but it's the only metric we have that can't be bullshitted which gives slight insight into how much experience someone here has.

You know the 'liver toxicity' shit is overblown, you know TUDCA and other shit is just pissing away money, you know how to eat 'right' and be generally healthy with your usage so go for it all in. Report back in February, ignore the newbies that are caught up in fear mongering because MPMD told them steroids is r the dangerous.

Thanks, I agree. I guess this place turned into like everywhere else on the internet, condescending, argumentative, emotional and snarky for no reason. And specifically here Im sure everyone just parrots what youtubers say. Yes, Ive been around since the reddit roids and reddit SST days.
Heres the difference between then and now, and a lot of it has to do with this anti social and FEMININE social behavior. Taking things personal, being condescending and passive aggressive are all feminine traits.

Post from 2014:
Hey bros Im 6 weeks into tren and my girlfriend just left me, but I got 2 girls lined up this weekend and I wanna look my best so I wanna up my dose and maybe add an oral.

reply from 2014 "fuck her man theres tons of sluts out there, I added anavar at 50mg and do 10mg cialis, just dont get blackout at the parties, currently on 500mg tren rn"

2022
"uhhh maybe she left you bc of the tren, you need to reevaluate your goals, why are you partying when youre on steroids, youre probably too young, did you even reach your natural potential??? you need a therapist, all you need is 250mg test, you want to put a harmful oral into your body for just a party to look good?? You need to train harder, you need to fix your diet

I swear all the men on the internet, not just steroid forums, turned from bros, to like hating ass weridos that sound like old ladies, its such feminine behavior. Legit so many guys just sound like that one chick friend your girlfriend has that just hates you and tries to nit pick every little thing.

Don’t mean to be a hater, but this is one of the worst cycles/ideas I’ve seen. You state injectables give you terrible sides, yet you’ve never ran low doses of Tren, so you’ve only ran high doses? you’ve ran Deca up to a gram and you don’t think test at higher doses give you good gains. You seem to be a high dose junkie, no wonder you get terrible sides. You don’t need a gram of primo, anything past 600mg you can’t tell a difference. Also, don’t believe in liver support? While fixing to jump on every oral there is? Yikes! I’d suggest moderate dose Test 300mg-500mg and 400-600mg primo with 50mg anavar 4-6 weeks. Can’t afford primo, run mast. Not the same thing but close enough.

thank you kid born in 1995 and joined last month.
I´m not a high dose junkie, Ive been using AAS since 2010, with that obviously comes experimenting with high doses.
Those anecdotes about those 3 injectables are from my personal experiences which provide insight into my reasoning and demonstrate my experience with AAS, which you should respect, instead of somehow using my experiences against me, werido.

I guess to sum up your negative thinking, you used the fact Ive used Deca up to a gram as some point against me.
last time i checked this was a steroid forum.


Agreed above aside from my one suggestion is to stop, reevaluate your desire for AAS use, eat more, drink more water, train harder, do cardio and see how it goes in 6 months

Ive been using AAS for 12 years and youre telling me to reevaluate my desire for AAS use because my proposed cycle wasnt covered by your favorite youtuber.
 
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Don’t mean to be a hater, but this is one of the worst cycles/ideas I’ve seen. You state injectables give you terrible sides, yet you’ve never ran low doses of Tren, so you’ve only ran high doses? you’ve ran Deca up to a gram and you don’t think test at higher doses give you good gains. You seem to be a high dose junkie, no wonder you get terrible sides. You don’t need a gram of primo, anything past 600mg you can’t tell a difference. Also, don’t believe in liver support? While fixing to jump on every oral there is? Yikes! I’d suggest moderate dose Test 300mg-500mg and 400-600mg primo with 50mg anavar 4-6 weeks. Can’t afford primo, run mast. Not the same thing but close enough.
Agreed. With all due respect @DHT, this is awful. This looks like a good way to nuke your lipids and likely run up your liver enzymes. If you can’t do low doses or can’t tolerate anything, then honestly, maybe steroids aren’t for you and that’s fine.
 

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Agreed. With all due respect @DHT, this is awful. This looks like a good way to nuke your lipids and likely run up your liver enzymes. If you can’t do low doses or can’t tolerate anything, then honestly, maybe steroids aren’t for you and that’s fine.
lmao really how am i gonna nuke my lipids from threshold doses of AAS orals at less than a peak of 100mg a day? yes steroids arent for me got it, becauase I dared to type 20mg anavar 10mg winstrol and 35mg adrol. Im going to affect my lipids and run up liver enzymes! Newsflash, all AAS do. You just see 4 orals and you want to talk shit and make things personal. I garuntee you dont get bloodwork as often as me, so dont just vaguely mention lipids and enzymes like that means something. See above post. youre another passive aggressive feminine guy.
 
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lmao really how am i gonna nuke my lipids from threshold doses of AAS orals at less than a peak of 100mg a day? yes steroids arent for me got it, becauase I dared to type 20mg anavar 10mg winstrol and 35mg adrol. Im going to affect my lipids and run up liver enzymes! Newsflash, all AAS do. You just see 4 orals and you want to talk shit and make things personal. I garuntee you dont get bloodwork as often as me, so dont just vaguely mention lipids and enzymes like that means something. See above post. youre another passive aggressive feminine guy.
You’re running orals for 9-10 weeks? Low dose or not that that’s going to affect lipids and more than Injectables. If you can’t tolerate most gear, then yes maybe it’s not for you. I was nice about how I said things and you insult me. That says more about you than me buddy.
 

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You’re running orals for 9-10 weeks? Low dose or not that that’s going to affect lipids and more than Injectables. If you can’t tolerate most gear, then yes maybe it’s not for you. I was nice about how I said things and you insult me. That says more about you than me buddy.


People run anavar all year (anecdotally) and don't end up fucked up,. Anadrol is prescribed for up to 6 months for patients requiring it. Winstrol is sometimes scripted for low dose usage every day for months. Oral toxicity is incredibly exaggerated, seems to stem from the shit products people consumed during the Prohormone days with garbage like DMZ and this-andro-number that-number-andro products. The four he's using are fine. If he was planning to mix Superdrol + Mtren + Halo + Cheque Drops I'd question his motives but he's picked 4 that are either known to be safe(r) orals or medically prescribed ones for longer terms than his cycle. Dude is fine.

Anecdotally: I buy all my orals in raw powder form and just run as long as I have em. Buy 5g of Var, run it at whatever dose I want until it's gone. Sometimes 25/day, sometimes 50, up to 100. Have stacked leftovers with new gear orders many times, meaning mixing the last couple weeks of one oral with another and having no issues. The worst sides I get are from AIs really, not even the anabolics. Been here since before Scorp got busted, still alive and healthy and fine. You're been here at least 4 years, don't act like you haven't tried some shit out before lol.
 

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@DHT Just fucking do it. Sometimes it can be fun/interesting to experiment and go against the grain. Take progress pics and get lab work periodically so we can see what happened on the inside and the outside. You can get oral primo from SynergyForge if you want to add an extra oral. Good luck man I hope to see you post your results.
 

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Thanks, I agree. I guess this place turned into like everywhere else on the internet, condescending, argumentative, emotional and snarky for no reason. And specifically here Im sure everyone just parrots what youtubers say. Yes, Ive been around since the reddit roids and reddit SST days.
Heres the difference between then and now, and a lot of it has to do with this anti social and FEMININE social behavior. Taking things personal, being condescending and passive aggressive are all feminine traits.

Post from 2014:
Hey bros Im 6 weeks into tren and my girlfriend just left me, but I got 2 girls lined up this weekend and I wanna look my best so I wanna up my dose and maybe add an oral.

reply from 2014 "fuck her man theres tons of sluts out there, I added anavar at 50mg and do 10mg cialis, just dont get blackout at the parties, currently on 500mg tren rn"

2022
"uhhh maybe she left you bc of the tren, you need to reevaluate your goals, why are you partying when youre on steroids, youre probably too young, did you even reach your natural potential??? you need a therapist, all you need is 250mg test, you want to put a harmful oral into your body for just a party to look good?? You need to train harder, you need to fix your diet

I swear all the men on the internet, not just steroid forums, turned from bros, to like hating ass weridos that sound like old ladies, its such feminine behavior. Legit so many guys just sound like that one chick friend your girlfriend has that just hates you and tries to nit pick every little thing.



thank you kid born in 1995 and joined last month.
I´m not a high dose junkie, Ive been using AAS since 2010, with that obviously comes experimenting with high doses.
Those anecdotes about those 3 injectables are from my personal experiences which provide insight into my reasoning and demonstrate my experience with AAS, which you should respect, instead of somehow using my experiences against me, werido.

I guess to sum up your negative thinking, you used the fact Ive used Deca up to a gram as some point against me.
last time i checked this was a steroid forum.




Ive been using AAS for 12 years and youre telling me to reevaluate my desire for AAS use because my proposed cycle wasnt covered by your favorite youtuber.
Lol don't lop me into the mpmd bullshit. I don't follow or give a shit about anyone on YouTube or the like bub. Personally I think it's asinine to believe you're going to do any better by taking orals than injecting but you know your body and I don't and you're gonna do whatever it is you want to do and more power to you for it man. But don't forget you popped into a forum with an idea and aren't liking the responses. You don't know me, don't know how long IVE been in this and none of it matters, point is I don't agree with your proposed idea (and my guy..that's OKAY). But hey, could be fun and if it works then I'll eat my shoe but I'm doubtful. Don't get defensive when you don't agree with the response on a forum. It's not a personal attack by any stretch man.
 

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Lol don't lop me into the mpmd bullshit. I don't follow or give a shit about anyone on YouTube or the like bub. Personally I think it's asinine to believe you're going to do any better by taking orals than injecting but you know your body and I don't and you're gonna do whatever it is you want to do and more power to you for it man. But don't forget you popped into a forum with an idea and aren't liking the responses. You don't know me, don't know how long IVE been in this and none of it matters, point is I don't agree with your proposed idea (and my guy..that's OKAY). But hey, could be fun and if it works then I'll eat my shoe but I'm doubtful. Don't get defensive when you don't agree with the response on a forum. It's not a personal attack by any stretch man.
it sounds like a personal attack when you dont actually comment on the compounds, dosages, pyramiding, threshold dosages, long term low doses, muscle memory, but instead comment on me PERSONALLY.
"stop, reevaluate your desire for AAS use, eat more, drink more water, train harder, do cardio "
what you said doesnt have anything to do with my post.
What about typing a proposed cycle has anything to do with drinking water and doing cardio? Thats incredibly condescending and dont pretend like it isnt.
 

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@DHT Just fucking do it. Sometimes it can be fun/interesting to experiment and go against the grain. Take progress pics and get lab work periodically so we can see what happened on the inside and the outside. You can get oral primo from SynergyForge if you want to add an extra oral. Good luck man I hope to see you post your results.
I think ill actually take some advice and run some pharma primo. I wish I could find pharma winstrol, var etc. Thanks for the vibes and ill post once my order comes in.
my IGF is only 125 so maybe ill add in some omnitropin.
 

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Can't be personal if I DONT KNOW YOU dude lol you're a set of words on a screen and so am I.

Listen you started this off saying you've been out of it for two years and are only back in by two weeks. I'd be curious how your body would respond to any length of training and dieting according to your goals before you throw a bevy of orals through it. Have you considered making it even safer and brewing those orals into injectables? Aside from the var of course you could mitigate some of the proposed issues. Or not.
 
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