Combat Sports Drug Testing

[THEALPHAJAMIE]

I recently began using Test Propionate... Nothing more, nothing less. This is my first time, and it's been 14 days since I started. Please excuse me if I'm using the wrong terminology, but I'm taking in roughly 240 a week over the course of 3 injections.

My workouts have certainly improved, and my overall mood is dynamite. In a few months, I hope to get back to training in a MMA gym, and I'd like to be fighting sooner than later. What should I be aware of in regards to Propionate and fit to fight physicals, drug testing, etc.?

Thank you for your help, guys!

 

[effswithtren]

If you’re competing in a drug tested league, especially in a combative sport where you may injure someone, quit fucking doping.

 

[JDLift]

Ignore the retard above me, everyone is on some kinda shit or a higher test dose than TRT at least.

Until you reach Pro level (Pro is just any paid fight at any promotion, not necessarily the major leagues) it doesn't fuckin matter. Ammys get a basic bloodborne pathogen panel just to make sure you're not gonna get the other guy or a ref sick if you gush all over em. Nobody fuckin pays to get ammy fighters tested for all WADA/USADA banned substances. All the guys I met when I was in the ammy/pro-am circuit ran Test, Var/Tbol, some ran Deca, toward the end of my time SARMs came around so some retards started hopping on GW50156 or w/e the numbers are and MK677 was apparently gaining popularity for guys going up a class and for general recovery.
When you take the leap and are being paid for your fights, it is 100% up to the promoter whether they test or not. Most don't, but if you get scouted by a big league they're gonna have you tested for sure so if you end up with a respectable record you need to hook up with a coach that understands how to time your drugs so you don't get popped.

Beyond the pro-am/ammy circuits I can't give you any more info. The most 'famous' guys I worked with or fought went up to Bellator except one who was a top wrestler HS/Collegiate who transitioned to MMA and he got taken by a promoter out in Thailand. Bellator testing is real, or was in 2014ish from what I was told by those guys, and out in Thailand the promoters gave no fucks at all.

I'm gonna be honest: The drugs we take for bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and the doses used for these are NOT very compatible with MMA, Boxing, Wrestling, Jujitsu. The only ones worth taking are ones I mentioned above as you're not going to wreck your joints on Test+Deca+Var/Tbol and they're good for helping you maintain your body more than anything. Once you get serious, the training is going to be intense and you'll be unintentionally cutting pretty fast unless you're smashing a shit ton of mcdonalds.

Drugs will help reduce the loss of muscle mass and will work to help strengthen your body in a practical manner as it relates to the muscle functions for the sport. No, it is not gonna make you punch and kick hard as shit but it will help build up the muscular strength of the main movers and stabilizers throughout each motion so you're better built to perform. Shoulders and hips on guys who cycle did not get blown out nearly as often as those who stayed natty and I'd attribute that to the stabilizers being built to supra-physiological levels thanks to the gear. So as to say- A guy who has a 1000lb squat can push kick you really hard, but if he has not built the strength in the muscles that support his leg through that movement then he's not going to be delivering many of those kicks. Apply this ideology to everything you do- You're going to 'bulletproof' (I hate that buzzword term but it works) yourself to keep you in the game longer. Also a lot of guys swore by things like the glute bridge with weight since it mimics bucking someone out of mount but that only applies from that specific position- Using gear and training will help strengthen your hips, legs and core to work positions from unorthodox or suboptimal positions as opposed to one specific A-B movement pattern.


All this write-up to say, don't just blast gear assuming that if you go in on 6g of Tren and Test with a few Halo tabs pre-fight it'll make you Superman. If that's your perspective of gear in relation to fighting, I hope this does a lot to help change your mind. Good luck and remember the most vicious fighters are in the promotions nobody has heard about yet. The guys in the UFC are on top of the mountain- Ammy and Pro-am guys are fucking HUNGRY bro. Last I checked in with my old coaches and some of the guys from those days, I heard a slew of stories about names that nobody knew yet but they are definitely going to. Some real fuckin animals out there just waiting to get noticed, and these guys aren't fighting for points.

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

If you are subjected to random testing at a top level of sport you are rolling the dice lol. Famously Jon Jones is said to have hid under the mat when the usada came around.. if you are not subjected to random testing I would give yourself 20 days (half life is 4 days) from last injection. Whoever told you to use test prop is smart id be careful with the other test forms

 

[effswithtren]

Ignore the retard above me, everyone is on some kinda shit or a higher test dose than TRT at least.

Until you reach Pro level (Pro is just any paid fight at any promotion, not necessarily the major leagues) it doesn't fuckin matter. Ammys get a basic bloodborne pathogen panel just to make sure you're not gonna get the other guy or a ref sick if you gush all over em. Nobody fuckin pays to get ammy fighters tested for all WADA/USADA banned substances. All the guys I met when I was in the ammy/pro-am circuit ran Test, Var/Tbol, some ran Deca, toward the end of my time SARMs came around so some retards started hopping on GW50156 or w/e the numbers are and MK677 was apparently gaining popularity for guys going up a class and for general recovery.
When you take the leap and are being paid for your fights, it is 100% up to the promoter whether they test or not. Most don't, but if you get scouted by a big league they're gonna have you tested for sure so if you end up with a respectable record you need to hook up with a coach that understands how to time your drugs so you don't get popped.

Beyond the pro-am/ammy circuits I can't give you any more info. The most 'famous' guys I worked with or fought went up to Bellator except one who was a top wrestler HS/Collegiate who transitioned to MMA and he got taken by a promoter out in Thailand. Bellator testing is real, or was in 2014ish from what I was told by those guys, and out in Thailand the promoters gave no fucks at all.

I'm gonna be honest: The drugs we take for bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and the doses used for these are NOT very compatible with MMA, Boxing, Wrestling, Jujitsu. The only ones worth taking are ones I mentioned above as you're not going to wreck your joints on Test+Deca+Var/Tbol and they're good for helping you maintain your body more than anything. Once you get serious, the training is going to be intense and you'll be unintentionally cutting pretty fast unless you're smashing a shit ton of mcdonalds.

Drugs will help reduce the loss of muscle mass and will work to help strengthen your body in a practical manner as it relates to the muscle functions for the sport. No, it is not gonna make you punch and kick hard as shit but it will help build up the muscular strength of the main movers and stabilizers throughout each motion so you're better built to perform. Shoulders and hips on guys who cycle did not get blown out nearly as often as those who stayed natty and I'd attribute that to the stabilizers being built to supra-physiological levels thanks to the gear. So as to say- A guy who has a 1000lb squat can push kick you really hard, but if he has not built the strength in the muscles that support his leg through that movement then he's not going to be delivering many of those kicks. Apply this ideology to everything you do- You're going to 'bulletproof' (I hate that buzzword term but it works) yourself to keep you in the game longer. Also a lot of guys swore by things like the glute bridge with weight since it mimics bucking someone out of mount but that only applies from that specific position- Using gear and training will help strengthen your hips, legs and core to work positions from unorthodox or suboptimal positions as opposed to one specific A-B movement pattern.


All this write-up to say, don't just blast gear assuming that if you go in on 6g of Tren and Test with a few Halo tabs pre-fight it'll make you Superman. If that's your perspective of gear in relation to fighting, I hope this does a lot to help change your mind. Good luck and remember the most vicious fighters are in the promotions nobody has heard about yet. The guys in the UFC are on top of the mountain- Ammy and Pro-am guys are fucking HUNGRY bro. Last I checked in with my old coaches and some of the guys from those days, I heard a slew of stories about names that nobody knew yet but they are definitely going to. Some real fuckin animals out there just waiting to get noticed, and these guys aren't fighting for points.

Firstly, for what it’s worth I pinky swear I’m smarter than you. I’m all for anabolics but doing it in tested leagues is trash. Other people doing it doesn’t make it less trash. I know it happens, I know it’s common. This isn’t endemic to any sport either. You’re not expounding any untold truths. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Now if it’s an untested event then absolutely juice your socks off. I’m not familiar with specifics to that wrt combative sports let alone specific venues therein. You’d be handicapping yourself not to.

 

[effswithtren]

If you are subjected to random testing at a top level of sport you are rolling the dice lol. Famously Jon Jones is said to have hid under the mat when the usada came around.. if you are not subjected to random testing I would give yourself 20 days (half life is 4 days) from last injection. Whoever told you to use test prop is smart id be careful with the other test forms

Even if his test levels returned to normal wouldn’t his crashed LH/FSH be a big red flag? I guess that’s up to whoever is interpreting results. Using something like test that is already found in the body is a good start compared to other choices, I just think surely they’re harder to get around than just switching to prop? Dunno, I’m mostly thinking out loud here.

 

[SCB123]

Even if his test levels returned to normal wouldn’t his crashed LH/FSH be a big red flag? I guess that’s up to whoever is interpreting results. Using something like test that is already found in the body is a good start compared to other choices, I just think surely they’re harder to get around than just switching to prop? Dunno, I’m mostly thinking out loud here.

normally, usada isnt looking for the steroids/drugs, they are looking for the metabolites. Even something like test, which, although your test level may be normal, the cyp, enth, or prop metabolites hang around. Luckily, prop is only about 2-3 weeks. Cyp and enth are about 3 months.
Non combat, but one of the amateur sports i do is covered by usada, and every year, at one specific event, USADA shows up, and catches at least one. Every year. You would figure by now, everyone would know. Some other random events, when the "shirts" show up, suddenly, the number of actual participants drops, as people go absent.

 

[THEALPHAJAMIE]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I really appreciate the time... My mentality was that supplementing with the Prop would enhance the workouts and recovery. I'm a big fan of calisthenics, HIIT, and high reps. And for MMA competition, I've been told that's a great blueprint for a fighter to have.

And while I respect all opinions, I wanted to go with Prop and only Prop because I wanted to push my limits just a bit further without compromising my mental faculties. I had been led to believe that certain substances could really cause an imbalance, and I believe that a fighter's mental state is just as important as his physical, if not more.

I've always been a student, especially when it comes to grappling, and I've become a big fan of yoga in regards to the balance, strength, and flexibility enhancements that it holds. My cardio has always been something I take great pride in, but I want this >>>

 

[effswithtren]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I really appreciate the time... My mentality was that supplementing with the Prop would enhance the workouts and recovery. I'm a big fan of calisthenics, HIIT, and high reps. And for MMA competition, I've been told that's a great blueprint for a fighter to have.

And while I respect all opinions, I wanted to go with Prop and only Prop because I wanted to push my limits just a bit further without compromising my mental faculties. I had been led to believe that certain substances could really cause an imbalance, and I believe that a fighter's mental state is just as important as his physical, if not more.

I've always been a student, especially when it comes to grappling, and I've become a big fan of yoga in regards to the balance, strength, and flexibility enhancements that it holds. My cardio has always been something I take great pride in, but I want this >>>

Ethics aside, I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze for a few weeks of test P @ 200ish mg. That’s barely above normal, you’re risking getting busted, and you’re going to need to recover after you come off. I think it’d be a wash in terms of enhancement with added risk.

As to the mentality effects of some hormones, yeah. Mostly if you’re already predisposed to it though, or not very emotionally mature. Gotta be stronger than the hormones. I hear shit about people fighting strangers on tren and shake my head. The most I’ve done is gotten irritated at an AT&T customer service rep, which is perfectly normal in any circumstance.

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I really appreciate the time... My mentality was that supplementing with the Prop would enhance the workouts and recovery. I'm a big fan of calisthenics, HIIT, and high reps. And for MMA competition, I've been told that's a great blueprint for a fighter to have.

And while I respect all opinions, I wanted to go with Prop and only Prop because I wanted to push my limits just a bit further without compromising my mental faculties. I had been led to believe that certain substances could really cause an imbalance, and I believe that a fighter's mental state is just as important as his physical, if not more.

I've always been a student, especially when it comes to grappling, and I've become a big fan of yoga in regards to the balance, strength, and flexibility enhancements that it holds. My cardio has always been something I take great pride in, but I want this >>>

Do you hope to go pro? Ive done some light sparring at a boxing gym but fuck man I would never step in the cage for free lol.

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

Firstly, for what it’s worth I pinky swear I’m smarter than you. I’m all for anabolics but doing it in tested leagues is trash. Other people doing it doesn’t make it less trash. I know it happens, I know it’s common. This isn’t endemic to any sport either. You’re not expounding any untold truths. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Now if it’s an untested event then absolutely juice your socks off. I’m not familiar with specifics to that wrt combative sports let alone specific venues therein. You’d be handicapping yourself not to.

I agree with you about it being a shitty thing to do in most pro sports, minus cycling. Altho I think it a completely retarded fkn sport (because we get all these yuppies riding their bikes in their tights on the thin shoulder of the road creating danger for every motorist bc they want to be lance armstrong) its just a fact you cant even compete without juicing and blood doping at the top level. They did a documentary about it called icarus and it is so perfectly obvious that the top like 20 percent are doping its just a broken sport bro.

 

[MikeAlstott]

I agree with you about it being a shitty thing to do in most pro sports, minus cycling. Altho I think it a completely retarded fkn sport (because we get all these yuppies riding their bikes in their tights on the thin shoulder of the road creating danger for every motorist bc they want to be lance armstrong) its just a fact you cant even compete without juicing and blood doping at the top level. They did a documentary about it called icarus and it is so perfectly obvious that the top like 20 percent are doping its just a broken sport bro.

and with your thought process it seems bodybuilding is also a broken sport lol.