Why some source vials crash and others dont

[Snowowl]

Not going to say the sources names but I have gear from 2 diff ones.

One of the sources gear does not crash been using it for years never crashes.

Another source I tried, his stuff seems to keep crashing.

Why?

 

[mmaphdmba]

Different formulas can go into making aas stable in solution. Maybe same chemicals, slightly different ratios, etc.

Pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme. Just heat it up in a candle warmer, pan, etc. and don't store it in a cold place. Even a cold closet can cause crashing.

 

[Sector]

Assuming the concentrations between the two vials are the same, it’s just the ratio of solvents used to get it to hold.

Cold temperatures also make it crash as well, like MMA mentioned

If the cold isn’t a factor, and you have two sources with test e 250mg/ml for example, and:
-source 1 is crashing
-source 2 isn’t crashing

It’s safe to say that source 2 probably has the better formula. Crashing doesn’t reduce the potency of the gear to my knowledge, it’s just inconvenient to have to heat it up

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

source 2 isn’t crashing

Source 2 used guaiacol

 

[Sector]

Source 2 used guaiacol

If they need guaiacol for test e 250 they have bigger problems

 

[lifter6973]

Good responses here OP.

Even pharmacy test can crash from time to time but I agree with @Sector in that the brewing formula for UGL source 2 that doesn't crash is likely better than the brewing formula from UGL source 1 that does crash.

Not too relevant too is a myth out there that if you put a vial of test in the freezer overnight and it doesn't crash, there is no hormone in the vial. That is complete dolt joke bro science BS.

Oh and god help anyone that sources from a UGL using guaiacol to brew test e 250

 

[orderplacer123]

I get confused sometimes when I read posts on source threads here that are like

"I received my package from <source> and the vials were crashed, he offered to replace them immediately great customer service"

I know that some batches can crash because they are just not made properly but I am confused as to why some sources will replace an order for crashed testosterone especially when shipped in a cold climate.

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

I am confused as to why

Cost of test is so low it's worth satisfying the customer instead of risking negative comments.

 

[BBBG]

I get confused sometimes when I read posts on source threads here that are like

"I received my package from <source> and the vials were crashed, he offered to replace them immediately great customer service"

I know that some batches can crash because they are just not made properly but I am confused as to why some sources will replace an order for crashed testosterone especially when shipped in a cold climate.

Just like anywhere, people will bitch and complain irrationally until they get their way. Karma keeps track though.

 

[SquattingInTheCurlRack]

Just like anywhere, people will bitch and complain irrationally until they get their way. Karma keeps track though.

hell yeah id "reship" them exclusively high concentration.

 

[calist181]

What about same batch #s and same packaging. Some vials crashed while others remain liquid.

 

[Sector]

What about same batch #s and same packaging. Some vials crashed while others remain liquid.

Cold weather?

 

[AlexDavis43]

I get confused sometimes when I read posts on source threads here that are like

"I received my package from <source> and the vials were crashed, he offered to replace them immediately great customer service"

I know that some batches can crash because they are just not made properly but I am confused as to why some sources will replace an order for crashed testosterone especially when shipped in a cold climate.

If that actually happened, it's a horrible business model. The source is an idiot. Besides throwing away money, it's missed opportunity to educate the customer (although hopefully other members did).

 

[Lee_48157]

I recently started keeping the ones im currently drawing from in a wipe warmer I got off Amazon for $20. However I’m not sure if it’s bad for the oil to be kept at that temp ( says one lvl 1 it’s 88 degrees) which is where I keep it. I’ll check with a thermometer this weekend to see actual temp.

I have also used the hot water & candle warmer trick, but my thought was the wipe warmer is for ease of use, I can just grab what need & its ready to go. I only started using this method because my pre filled syringes I make for 2-3 days in advance we’re getting crystal’s inside them with the weather being in the single digits. Not sure if I will continue the wipe warmer method although it is very convenient, I’m just worried that it’s going to damage the oils. Unless someone else here chimes in that has been using this method long term?

 

[calist181]

Cold weather?

Yes it was caused by the cold weather during shipping. I was just wondering why some crash and others don't if they're part of the same batch. After warming up, the same vials recrashed.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Yes it was caused by the cold weather during shipping. I was just wondering why some crash and others don't if they're part of the same batch. After warming up, the same vials recrashed.

Some have mentioned baking the vials at 175F for like an hour to provide a more permanent cure. Apparently that's not hot enough to harm the stopper and it should stay in solution after that.

 

[orderplacer123]

If that actually happened, it's a horrible business model. The source is an idiot. Besides throwing away money, it's missed opportunity to educate the customer (although hopefully other members did).

It’s interesting because even the Pfizer testosterone packaging mentions that it’s normal for the testosterone to crash

 

[fike]

It may have already been said, but without reading the other comments, I’m going to throw my two cents out there. Their BB concentration isn’t where it needs to be. I always crash test my gear by throwing it in the deep freeze for an hour or so. After that I pull it out and sit it on the counter for an hourish and it always bounces back crystal clear. It never has a crystallized shard in it. That’s because I only use BB and BA to brew with. BB concentration is minimum 20% on majority of compounds. Some compounds like test cyp require a little bit higher concentration to hold super well, like 24-25%. BA is never over 2%. I almost always keep BA at 1.5%. The BB content is what matters though. Despite what you might read, BB is not what caused PIP, so don’t be scared to brew it a little higher.

 

[glowingmoose]

Good responses here OP.

Even pharmacy test can crash from time to time but I agree with @Sector in that the brewing formula for UGL source 2 that doesn't crash is likely better than the brewing formula from UGL source 1 that does crash.

Not too relevant too is a myth out there that if you put a vial of test in the freezer overnight and it doesn't crash, there is no hormone in the vial. That is complete dolt joke bro science BS.

Oh and god help anyone that sources from a UGL using guaiacol to brew test e 250

do you guys think the temp the raws were brewed at might also play a role in whether something crashes or not? Like maybe if it’s undercooked or overheated during the process, it doesn’t hold right long-term?


I’ve noticed certain raws seem to behave a bit differently too — like Test P or NPP needing more heat to fully go into solution, maybe somewhere in that 90–110°C range, while stuff like Test E seems to mix fine at more moderate temps, and Deca or even Tren Ace might not need much at all, like 50–60°C.


Not sure if that plays a part, but just something I’ve been wondering when comparing batches that hold perfectly vs ones that crash out over time.

 

[941trt]

yeah i had a situation where 1 package of 3 vials (same batch) from a source 2/3 crashed and continued to keep crashing after reheating. crystals would stick to the top/bottom of vial etc and completely separate. one vial never crashed. no clue what the actual cause of this was but i got irritated continuing to heat up those 2 and just threw them away and switched sources.