Thoughts on this Tbol cycle plan?

[ZephyrHillz]

Dislaimer: I am a newbie

My plan for Tbol cycle is as follows:

• Weeks 1-2: 50 mg/day
• Weeks 3-4: 75 mg/day
• Weeks 5-6: 100/day

After the 6 weeks I will stop completely. Do I need to get PCT for this cycle? I plan on eating clean and working out 6 days/week for throughout the cycle. My goal is to gain 7-10 lbs of lean mass. How badly would this cycle impact my liver, and is there anything I can do to improve this cycle? I am refraining from any steroids that can cause hair loss. Thank you!

 

[Musclechemist7]

Dislaimer: I am a newbie

My plan for Tbol cycle is as follows:

• Weeks 1-2: 50 mg/day
• Weeks 3-4: 75 mg/day
• Weeks 5-6: 100/day

After the 6 weeks I will stop completely. Do I need to get PCT for this cycle? I plan on eating clean and working out 6 days/week for throughout the cycle. My goal is to gain 7-10 lbs of lean mass. How badly would this cycle impact my liver, and is there anything I can do to improve this cycle? I am refraining from any steroids that can cause hair loss. Thank you!

It's an AAS so yes PCT, advice to improve, run test.

More advice, start over on your research and learning.

 

[Guc_Nukem]

Terrible cycle.

Don't run anything, unless you're also running at least a trt dosage of test as well.

PCT is always required if you plan on cycling off.

 

[ZephyrHillz]

Terrible cycle.

Don't run anything, unless you're also running at least a trt dosage of test as well.

PCT is always required if you plan on cycling off.

Thanks so much! I am reading mixed answered regarding test causing hair loss. Is there a specific variety of test I can use without worries about hair loss? Should I research more on Test E or Test P?

 

[Guc_Nukem]

Thanks so much! I am reading mixed answered regarding test causing hair loss. Is there a specific variety of test I can use without worries about hair loss? Should I research more on Test E or Test P?

DHT sensitivity is what usually causes hair loss on gear, so if you avoid DHT derived hormones, you are usually safe. If you lose your hair on just test alone, I would say you were probably going to lose your hair anyways.

I would say for the sake of ease, research more on Test E.

You first cycle should be like 400mg of Test E or Test C a week for 20 weeks. Then maybe Tbol or some other oral steroid for the first 6 weeks of your cycle.

Let me explain why an oral only cycle or a no testosterone cycle is bad. They all suppress your natural production, you'll literally feel worst than you do natty when that oral hormone is out of your system. With your T-levels suppressed or non-existent during that cycle you'll make no gains and maybe even lose gains, have no libido and all around just feel like you are borderline hungover.

Whatever your cycle is, ALWAYS HAVE TEST. Even if it's not your main hormone, like if you plan on running like NPP as your big boi, always have at least trt dosage of test on cycle to keep your body functioning normally.

 

[thebsac]

Thanks so much! I am reading mixed answered regarding test causing hair loss. Is there a specific variety of test I can use without worries about hair loss? Should I research more on Test E or Test P?

The physiological effects of Test E & Test P are the same. The only difference you'll see is how fast the test "kicks in". If you're prone to hair loss, picking one over the other will not save your golden locks.

I don't think anyone here would recommend running Tbol without test, regardless, buy some taurine to help with the crippling shin/lower back pumps and have access to a blood pressure cuff as Tbol can spike blood pressure in some people.

 

[Musclechemist7]

Thanks so much! I am reading mixed answered regarding test causing hair loss. Is there a specific variety of test I can use without worries about hair loss? Should I research more on Test E or Test P?

Where are you reading this info ?

 

[ZephyrHillz]

DHT sensitivity is what usually causes hair loss on gear, so if you avoid DHT derived hormones, you are usually safe. If you lose your hair on just test alone, I would say you were probably going to lose your hair anyways.

I would say for the sake of ease, research more on Test E.

You first cycle should be like 400mg of Test E or Test C a week for 20 weeks. Then maybe Tbol or some other oral steroid for the first 6 weeks of your cycle.

Let me explain why an oral only cycle or a no testosterone cycle is bad. They all suppress your natural production, you'll literally feel worst than you do natty when that oral hormone is out of your system. With your T-levels suppressed or non-existent during that cycle you'll make no gains and maybe even lose gains, have no libido and all around just feel like you are borderline hungover.

Whatever your cycle is, ALWAYS HAVE TEST. Even if it's not your main hormone, like if you plan on running like NPP as your big boi, always have at least trt dosage of test on cycle to keep your body functioning normally.

Thanks so much for your reply, your explanation makes perfect sense. I appreciate you explaining this to a newbie like me. I did some more research and updated my cycle plan. Would you approve of this cycle? If there's anything I can to improve this I am open to suggestions. Thanks again!

Cycle:

• Test E – 400 mg per weeks 1-10
• Tbol – 40 mg per day weeks 4-10

PCT:

• Nolvadex at weeks 12-16, Split 40/40/20/20
• TUDCA every day weeks 4-10

I really appreciate everyone insight here to guide me to the right direction

 

[thebsac]

Thanks so much for your reply, your explanation makes perfect sense. I appreciate you explaining this to a newbie like me. I did some more research and updated my cycle plan. Would you approve of this cycle? If there's anything I can to improve this I am open to suggestions. Thanks again!

Cycle:

• Test E – 400 mg per weeks 1-10
• Tbol – 40 mg per day weeks 4-10

PCT:

• Nolvadex at weeks 12-16, Split 40/40/20/20
• TUDCA every day weeks 4-10

I really appreciate everyone insight here to guide me to the right direction

Looks fine.

My personal suggestions (other users may disagree):

Bloodwork before cycle. (This is your baseline.)
Bloodwork mid cycle. (This gives you an idea of your response and if anything is out of wack like liver enzymes, kidney function, hematocrit, etc.)
Bloodwork after PCT. (This let's you know that you've recovered to your baseline levels or at least somewhat close.)


If you're feeling good at week 10 and you have enough Test, go another 2-4 weeks.

I would wait 3-4 weeks after your last Test shot to start PCT, this gives enough time for most of the exogenous test to clear from the plasma.

I disagree with the recommendation for 40mg of nolva to start pct. I think all it does is contribute to possible side effects. I would run 20mg for 4-6 weeks instead.

Seriously, have some taurine on hand in case you get crippling pumps from the Tbol.