test + anavar + primo or deca ?

[deeoeraclea]

I'm on 140 mg test/week and also taking 40 mg/day of anavar.

Tried adding 70 mg/week of deca to the above to get a bit of joint pain relief and didn't really notice any positive effects on joint pain but did notice a little bit of swelling of some gyno I've had for decades (it's not huge; nobody would notice but me). Also, my estradiol when on deca is slightly above the standard reference range.

Anywho, thinking of swwpping the deca for primo (some amount 70 mg/week). This would lower my estradiol I assume. But, I'm slightly worried about hair thinning. I haven't noticed any hair thinning on test/deca/anavar. But, I did notice osme hair thinning about 5 years ago when I was just doing test. At the time, I was doing one injection IM per week. When on test/deca I pin 3x/week sub-Q.

Thoughts? Any of you have had better results in terms of muscle growth on primo vs deca? Should I be concenred about hair thinning at the low dose of 70 mg/week of primo?

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

More test and AI. Fin and minox if you're worried about that hair line.

 

[BBBG]

Any of you have had better results in terms of muscle growth on primo vs deca?

At 70 mg/week, you’ll likely notice the same amount of muscle growth on either… Not much.

 

[deeoeraclea]

So ... 140 mg/week of test + 280 mg/week of anavar + 70 mg/week of deca = 490 mg/week of gear. I actually feel like I've been able to grow pretty well on that (squatted 405 lbs at a bw of 200 lbs a few weeks ago). I'm trying to balance growth with side effect (like everyone). How much gear (mg/week) do you consider a "serious" cycle?

 

[BBBG]

So ... 140 mg/week of test + 280 mg/week of anavar + 70 mg/week of deca = 490 mg/week of gear. I actually feel like I've been able to grow pretty well on that (squatted 405 lbs at a bw of 200 lbs a few weeks ago). I'm trying to balance growth with side effect (like everyone). How much gear (mg/week) do you consider a "serious" cycle?

You’re concerned about side effects but you run anavar continuously at 40 mg/day?

Drop anavar. Drop primo/deca and up the testosterone.

 

[RavenKnight]

You shouldn’t just be pinning once a week period if you want stable levels

 

[deeoeraclea]

You shouldn’t just be pinning once a week period if you want stable levels

As I said above "When on test/deca I pin 3x/week sub-Q."

 

[deeoeraclea]

You’re concerned about side effects but you run anavar continuously at 40 mg/day?

Drop anavar. Drop primo/deca and up the testosterone.

Blood pressure and lipds are just fine so far. Only thing that's out of the reference range is estradiol, which is slightly above the reference range.

 

[BBBG]

Blood pressure and lipds are just fine so far. Only thing that's out of the reference range is estradiol, which is slightly above the reference range.

Ok. Sounds like you’re all set. Have a great cycle!

 

[BBBG]

As I said above "When on test/deca I pin 3x/week sub-Q."

What concentration is your Deca?

 

[deeoeraclea]

What concentration is your Deca?

Deca is 200 mg/mL. I pin 0.1 mL every other day. So 3.5/week x 0.1 ml * 200 mg/mL = 70 mg/week of Deca

Test is 200 mg/mL and I pin 0.2 mL every other day. So, 140 mg/week of Test.

Anavar is 20 mg/pill. And take 2 pills per day. So, 280 mg/week.

Other than just a tad bit of swelling of my nipples when I am on the deca, I haven't noticed any side effects. Blood work and blood pressure are fine. I can look up the exact numbers if it's helpful. But, I know LDL and apoB and below the low end of the reference range. I actually used to have really low iron before hopping on test.

I actually tried NPP in place of Deca a few months ago. But, I got really bad PIP. I don't know if it was the UG lab I used (Axle .... I know they are banned here). The Deca is through my TRT clinic. No PIP with that or with my test.

 

[Astro95]

What’s your prolactin/progesterone?

Ideally you want a tight handle on e2 when utilizing a 19nor or GH as they raise prolactin/progesterone which induces gyno growth just like high e2. Higher e2 will translate into higher prolactin, that plus a 19nor compound and most likely an issue. Hair will be dictated by your genetics, also DHT. Test converts to e2 and Dht so it alone can cause hair loss. Anavar, mast, primo, Winnie etc can all cause hair loss as well. Draw of genetics, keep doses reasonable and pay attention when introducing new compounds.

 

[deeoeraclea]

What’s your prolactin/progesterone?

Ideally you want a tight handle on e2 when utilizing a 19nor or GH as they raise prolactin/progesterone which induces gyno growth just like high e2. Higher e2 will translate into higher prolactin, that plus a 19nor compound and most likely an issue. Hair will be dictated by your genetics, also DHT. Test converts to e2 and Dht so it alone can cause hair loss. Anavar, mast, primo, Winnie etc can all cause hair loss as well. Draw of genetics, keep doses reasonable and pay attention when introducing new compounds.

Haven't had prolactin/progesterone measured. My TRT clinic only checks estradiol, which was 65.5 pg/mL (ref range is 7.6 - 42.6).