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Synergy Forge high concentration Test E 1000mg/week 2320ng/dl 2.32x

Hulkmaster97

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First time poster long time lurker. Been ordering from SST for a couple years. Have been a happy customer of synergy forge for a long time.

Synergy Forge@Synergy Forge
TestosteroneEnanthate high concentration (500mg/ml)
Weekly Testosterone Dose (mg)1000mg
Other Compounds in CycleDeca, tren, eq, hgh
Weekly Dose Other Compunds Deca 1000mg tren 800mg EQ 600mg hgh 6iu/day
Weeks Run15 weeks
Draw Time from Last Pin48 hours
Blood Results
Testosterone Reading in ng/dl2320ng/dl
Testosterone Multiplier2.3
Test Capped at 1500?No
Estrogen (E2) Reading pg/ml28
Liver/Lipids Elevated?Slightly
Anything Else Goes Below
Blood Thicker than Yogurt pls help, Why am I still smol?Am big, can always be biggerer
 

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Futuredadbod

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I'd be asking for my money back lol. Also this isn't a passing multiplier on this forum

I've heard of bad responders. But I've never seen one this bad, if this is indeed accurately dosed.
 

TimTim

New member
why are you a happy Syn customer if you don't mind me asking? is it more anecdotal experiences or have you tested products from him in the past?
 

Hulkmaster97

New member
@CaptainAmerica I know about the no new poster rule, but I was curious about the requirement for a certain multiplier for the results to count. My results are much lower than the requirement, so what am I supposed to do to get a higher multiplier? Everyone else seems to have great results from the standard 300mg/ml strength test enanthate, but my results from the high concentration 500mg/ml strength test enanthate were not. How do I fix this to make my results count?
 
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Futuredadbod

Guest
@CaptainAmerica I know about the no new poster rule, but I was curious about the requirement for a certain multiplier for the results to count. My results are much lower than the requirement, so what am I supposed to do to get a higher multiplier? Everyone else seems to have great results from the standard 300mg/ml strength test enanthate, but my results from the high concentration 500mg/ml strength test enanthate were not. How do I fix this to make my results count?
My recommendation is test your gear. Syn hasn't tested anything in years, despite his premium prices. I'd get that tested if my multiplier was that low. I wouldn't be shocked if it's the gear and not you
 

MuscleMongoose

Active member
Are you sure you know how to measure out 1000mg?

Those results are most likely impossible for 1000mg a week of test e or c.

Shit I’d send that Shit into Jano at this point to see what’s up …..

but you’d be best to set up a whole new email and send that shit in as a blind result and not mention to Jano about your bloods being low for this test e that was suppose to be 500mg/ml.

Then you can get a real good idea of what’s up….
 

Synergy Forge

Well-known member
Verified Source
My recommendation is test your gear. Syn hasn't tested anything in years, despite his premium prices. I'd get that tested if my multiplier was that low. I wouldn't be shocked if it's the gear and not you
It is my belief that your statement isn't grounded in logic, at least the latter part of it. With the former part of your statement merely being factually wrong, but it's easier to throw things like that out and be wrong than actually offer assistance and be right. I have nothing against testing gear and you are welcome to make that recommendation all you like, in fact, I would actually encourage you to shout that from the tallest peak; but your insinuation is rather brash. Oh and please don't forget to tell people that I will always pay/reimburse them for the testing process. I appreciate that help. Thank you.
SYn
 

Synergy Forge

Well-known member
Verified Source
@Hulkmaster97

So a couple of things here real quick, I'm not sure what kind of cool points you get for having an approved blood result, but if you are asking so that you can get the offered credit from me then I approve, hands down. I do not need the Capt to give the green light.

Secondly I want to address the total testosterone that you have posted. The guy that responded to you a couple of times lacks the culmination of empirical data as well as examination of any outliers to narrow down the likely suspect in this case. Preferring to shoot from the hip and risk being wrong, yet still a viable possibility. Unfortunately for everyone, the gear is always on trial and I get that completely. However when we start to look at actual facts and data we can see that going back 3 pages and looking at bloodwork, we see 10 tests, which are as follows:

4.25
6.793
4.872
9.24
6.2
7.6
8.66
10.9
6.08
5.9

So it seems rather strange to have a 2.3 come across, indicating that there is perhaps something more at play here than "bad gear". By all means, feel free to have it tested, I'll reimburse you for that and I don't mean store credit but dollar for dollar (coin for coin). I am looking into this a little deeper, with my initial findings showing that there seems to be a correlation between quest diagnostics and the testosterone, total, MS (which is very different from the LC/ms/ms test) and Primo or NPP. I have reviewed a lot of other sources bloodwork that was low and the common denominator is definitely the Testing Methodology. Here is a snippet of information regarding the difference between the two testing procedures at the bottom of this page for reference. Do you have access to a testing procedure with the Total Testosterone LC/MS/MS? You didn't mention primo so I assume you weren't taking it? I will dive further into this to find answers, hopefully that will help across the community. If it comes down to the gear then absolutely you can have your money back as one person happily suggested or replacement or whatever you deem appropriate. People before profit. Currently the information we have available doesn't suggest this nor does my in-house testing that I perform. Common sense would also suggest that years of consistency tell an appropriate story as well, indicating that I'm not going to take the most inexpensive compound and sell it short, that just doesn't pass the sniff test. Regardless, I'll share my findings with you and feel free to reciprocate. Thank you,
Syn


I almost forgot:

"Isotope dilution mass spectrometry (MS) is the reference method for total testosterone measurement, but most labs rely on direct chemiluminescent immunoassays that displace bound forms of testosterone from SHBG and albumin. Results of these immunoassays depend on the effectiveness of displacement. They also suffer from limitations such as lack of specificity for cross-reacting steroids, insufficient analytical sensitivity, and imprecision at low concentrations. Other methods used in clinical labs include liquid chromatography-tandem MS (LC-MS/MS) and gas chromatography MS. Both MS-based assays and immunoassays face the challenges of standardization across platforms and appropriate reference intervals partitioned for gender and age groups."

 
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Futuredadbod

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It is my belief that your statement isn't grounded in logic, at least the latter part of it. With the former part of your statement merely being factually wrong, but it's easier to throw things like that out and be wrong than actually offer assistance and be right. I have nothing against testing gear and you are welcome to make that recommendation all you like, in fact, I would actually encourage you to shout that from the tallest peak; but your insinuation is rather brash. Oh and please don't forget to tell people that I will always pay/reimburse them for the testing process. I appreciate that help. Thank you.
SYn
I'm not seeing any recent testing this year or last, besides underdosed primo and underdosed Accutane...so I'm not sure how im wrong/brash/not grounded in logic. Perhaps I'm not seeing it and I'm indeed wrong, which I would admit if I was wrong. I think your response was a bit unprofessional

I'm not seeing where your TE500 was ever tested either.
 

MuscleMongoose

Active member
Cmon now ladies. Enough of the back and forth.

The guy should send it in to Jano as a blind sample to see what’s up.

It’s true that you can’t just blame it on the gear based on your bloodwork, But it can certainly give you a general idea.

Syn said he would reimburse or give store credit so the guy wouldn’t be loosing money on testing it.

Hed just have to ask for reimbursement after he sends it for blind sample and get the results so the testing is 1000 percent a blind sample.

Syn , you should start testing some shit at least. You and another source here are the only two who have no recent testing in years. Doesn’t matter if your clients send it in and you count that as testing.

If you tested your own products you wouldn’t have to deal with the accusations that your test e 500 is bunk and blame it on quest diagnostics.

Every other vendor tests their products themself before selling.

Just giving an honest opinion looking in from the outside with no bias or prejudice towards one side
 

Synergy Forge

Well-known member
Verified Source
I'm not seeing any recent testing this year or last, besides underdosed primo and underdosed Accutane...so I'm not sure how im wrong/brash/not grounded in logic. Perhaps I'm not seeing it and I'm indeed wrong, which I would admit if I was wrong. I think your response was a bit unprofessional

I'm not seeing where your TE500 was ever tested either.
Thank you, your opinion is important to me. I'll attempt to make a more professional approach when talking to someone. I appreciate the insight. Your logical fallacy about testing is that if you don't see it then it hasn't happened, yet you post your concrete opinion as fact without knowing all of them and that is the part about forums that gets under my skin: We take the information that we have and form a rock-solid opinion in which we offer it up to others whom will repeat it as fact, never taking into consideration that there might be more information out there. In my mind that is premature and not logical. In an attempt to bolster your opinion, you specify 2 products that tested poorly? Over the course of 4 years that I have been on this board? I'm not sure that is working in your favor but I'll grant you that, yet merely say that testing done BY sources FOR sources in an effort to prove something to someone else is meaningless. Since day one I have encouraged anyone and everyone to blindly send in products and refused back-door deals as well as extortion attempts by scammers that think they have bad products, reimbursing them so that it is essentially free to them. Tell me please sir, where have I gone wrong? Send in a bunch of products that I have complete opportunity to manipulate in my favor? Post the results shout it from the rooftops? Does that have meaning to you to look at something like that? if so please explain in an email because I already feel bad for even responding to you again and hijacking this persons thread. Thank you for the dialog.

Thank you,
Syn
 

MuscleMongoose

Active member
Thank you, your opinion is important to me. I'll attempt to make a more professional approach when talking to someone. I appreciate the insight. Your logical fallacy about testing is that if you don't see it then it hasn't happened, yet you post your concrete opinion as fact without knowing all of them and that is the part about forums that gets under my skin: We take the information that we have and form a rock-solid opinion in which we offer it up to others whom will repeat it as fact, never taking into consideration that there might be more information out there. In my mind that is premature and not logical. In an attempt to bolster your opinion, you specify 2 products that tested poorly? Over the course of 4 years that I have been on this board? I'm not sure that is working in your favor but I'll grant you that, yet merely say that testing done BY sources FOR sources in an effort to prove something to someone else is meaningless. Since day one I have encouraged anyone and everyone to blindly send in products and refused back-door deals as well as extortion attempts by scammers that think they have bad products, reimbursing them so that it is essentially free to them. Tell me please sir, where have I gone wrong? Send in a bunch of products that I have complete opportunity to manipulate in my favor? Post the results shout it from the rooftops? Does that have meaning to you to look at something like that? if so please explain in an email because I already feel bad for even responding to you again and hijacking this persons thread. Thank you for the dialog.

Thank you,
Syn

I think he’s getting at the point that you have no testing on your thread done by you at all like when all the other sources update their bio and say “ new results updated /available “ etc etc

If you had those updated tests results
then there would be no doubt. But it’s hard when a source has zero testing.

But as I also said you can’t just base bloods on whether or not a product is dosed correctly. The only way for it to be certain would be for the guy who has an issue with the product to send it in for testing.

But I’m a little confused on the part where you said if you send in products for testing you’d have complete control to manipulate them in your favor.

Is that what every vendor does who sends in products for testing ? That would make it seem as if all these vendor tests are worthless at this point.
 
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Futuredadbod

Guest
Thank you, your opinion is important to me. I'll attempt to make a more professional approach when talking to someone. I appreciate the insight. Your logical fallacy about testing is that if you don't see it then it hasn't happened, yet you post your concrete opinion as fact without knowing all of them and that is the part about forums that gets under my skin: We take the information that we have and form a rock-solid opinion in which we offer it up to others whom will repeat it as fact, never taking into consideration that there might be more information out there. In my mind that is premature and not logical. In an attempt to bolster your opinion, you specify 2 products that tested poorly? Over the course of 4 years that I have been on this board? I'm not sure that is working in your favor but I'll grant you that, yet merely say that testing done BY sources FOR sources in an effort to prove something to someone else is meaningless. Since day one I have encouraged anyone and everyone to blindly send in products and refused back-door deals as well as extortion attempts by scammers that think they have bad products, reimbursing them so that it is essentially free to them. Tell me please sir, where have I gone wrong? Send in a bunch of products that I have complete opportunity to manipulate in my favor? Post the results shout it from the rooftops? Does that have meaning to you to look at something like that? if so please explain in an email because I already feel bad for even responding to you again and hijacking this persons thread. Thank you for the dialog.

Thank you,
Syn


I looked in the testing section from now until last year, I found two of your products tested....Both underdosed. You have no self testing in your own thread. Most sources test every BATCH, you haven't tested any of your products in what? 4 years? 2019 is the only tests I see in your thread.

Your wall of text and talking in riddles and circles doesn't really explain why you charge so much yet don't test anything in years? Then deflect blame to quest instead of realizing "hey you know what, nobody knows the dosage of my TE500 because I...nor anyone else has tested it...let me send it out and see for myself that'll clear things up".

You don't handle constructive criticism well.
 

CaptainAmerica

The Bodybuilding Admin
Staff member
Administrator
@CaptainAmerica I know about the no new poster rule, but I was curious about the requirement for a certain multiplier for the results to count. My results are much lower than the requirement, so what am I supposed to do to get a higher multiplier? Everyone else seems to have great results from the standard 300mg/ml strength test enanthate, but my results from the high concentration 500mg/ml strength test enanthate were not. How do I fix this to make my results count?
Yeah if this counted at all it would count as a negative but I think there's something else going on. Are you really on 2.4g of gear a week? And you're suer of draw time?
 
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