SoCo Tren E Problems

[skaloola]

Emailed SoCo about this and he told me to heat them up and it’s normal.

Put in my first order w/ SoCo some weeks ago, received their SDrol which was crashed and Tren E which was also crashed. I was also missing one item from my order, but he promised to replace it.

The SDrol had some floaties, nothing crazy. The Tren E was laying on it’s side and on the bottom looks like a crystal rock formation. I emailed SoCo about it and they told me it’s normal in the winter months (well… I store the oils indoors, and it’s warm here, I guess he meant in transit).

I barely had to warm up the SDrol/shake it up and it went back into solution. From Googling, it looks like tren breaks down at a fairly low temperature (read conflicting reports) so I don’t want to go too crazy. I also don’t want to heat it so much that the BA evaporates, but I did try a hot water bath and hot air from an electronics rework station.

As I told SoCo in email, even if I were able to heat this back into solution w/ enough heat (don’t want to degrade the tren / bake off the BA) I’m assuming it’d just fall back out and there’s no way I’m risking an abscess/infection.

I asked on another board and the consensus was if you get crashed gear and it doesn’t go back into solution from sitting in a hot water bath and shaking it up then the source should replace it or refund you. “Most gear will fall out and crash if you put it in freezer, but should be stable at room temperature”

Since SoCo didn’t offer me a refund or resolution besides telling me to heat it up (which didn’t work), I’m posting here and letting people know about it. If I wanted to go through the hassle of all that, I’d buy the raw materials myself.

Here’s a picture of what I’m talking about. Its hard to tell in the picture, but the crystals are across the whole side of the bottle (it was laying on its side).

https://imgur.com/a/em7AZGJ

Not trying to start any shit here, just leaving my experience. Thanks.

 

[DNPstoney]

SoCo isn’t going to offer you another shipment, because the same exact thing is likely to happen again.

I am guessing you have never dealt with crashed gear before? Lucky you; it is very common.

All you need to do it heat it up. A candle warmer (~$5-10) will solve this issue, as well as making the oil much quicker when pulling and injecting. You can also try to running the vial under hot water, or try using thongs to dip it into boiling water.

If it still happens, then you might have a valid complaint. But requesting a refund because you can’t be bothered to heat the vial up at all is a bit of a reach. Especially coming from someone who thinks home-brewing is feasible (FYI: homebrewing is MUCH more complicated than putting a vial in boiling water).

Pro-tip: If you live in warm weather and don’t want this to happen again, order in the summer and store your vials in a warm place. Most of the midwest and east coast is going to be cold in the winter months.

 

[skaloola]

DNPstoney" pid='42506' dateline='1550875628:

SoCo isn’t going to offer you another shipment, because the same exact thing is likely to happen again.

I am guessing you have never dealt with crashed gear before? Lucky you; it is very common.

All you need to do it heat it up. A candle warmer (~$5-10) will solve this issue, as well as making the oil much quicker when pulling and injecting. You can also try to running the vial under hot water, or try using thongs to dip it into boiling water.

If it still happens, then you might have a valid complaint. But requesting a refund because you can’t be bothered to heat the vial up at all is a bit of a reach. Especially coming from someone who thinks home-brewing is feasible (FYI: homebrewing is MUCH more complicated than putting a vial in boiling water).

Pro-tip: If you live in warm weather and don’t want this to happen again, order in the summer and store your vials in a warm place. Most of the midwest and east coast is going to be cold in the winter months.

I didn’t request a refund. I just said he didn’t offer one or store credit (of a diff product, I wouldn’t order that blend again as it obviously is not stable). If you read my post, I did put the vial in near boiling water (but not boiling water) and it didn’t help.

Since it’s going in the trash anyways, I’m going to try using even hotter water and leaving it in longer and not worrying about whether it degrades the tren or not. I’d like to see if I can actually get it to dissolve if it will just fall back out again in room temperature.

 

[skaloola]

DNPstoney" pid='42506' dateline='1550875628:

SoCo isn’t going to offer you another shipment, because the same exact thing is likely to happen again.

I am guessing you have never dealt with crashed gear before? Lucky you; it is very common.

All you need to do it heat it up. A candle warmer (~$5-10) will solve this issue, as well as making the oil much quicker when pulling and injecting. You can also try to running the vial under hot water, or try using thongs to dip it into boiling water.

If it still happens, then you might have a valid complaint. But requesting a refund because you can’t be bothered to heat the vial up at all is a bit of a reach. Especially coming from someone who thinks home-brewing is feasible (FYI: homebrewing is MUCH more complicated than putting a vial in boiling water).

Pro-tip: If you live in warm weather and don’t want this to happen again, order in the summer and store your vials in a warm place. Most of the midwest and east coast is going to be cold in the winter months.

I didn’t request a refund. I just said he didn’t offer one or store credit (of a diff product, I wouldn’t order that blend again as it obviously is not stable). If you read my post, I did put the vial in near boiling water (but not boiling water) and it didn’t help. I did somewhat expect hm to offer some kind of compensation, tho.

Since it’s going in the trash anyways, I’m going to try using even hotter water and leaving it in longer and not worrying about whether it degrades the tren or not. I’d like to see if I can actually get it to dissolve if it will just fall back out again in room temperature.

also, I know crashed gear will happen very easily just from being in cold weather. You’ll see the solution as a bit cloudy or maybe a floaty. This looks like a crystal formation on the bottom. Is that “very common”?

edit: I can see from my original post I didn’t make it very clear – the Sdrol fell back into solution w/ just a small amount of heat. The Tren I tried going hotter, but didn’t want to go as far as leaving it in boiling water as I read online that Tren degrades and BA will evaporate.

and fyi, in case it wasn’t clear, I live in warm weather. I’ve got a variety of stock of gear at this point (not one as high as 200300mg/ml of tren e, tho) and nothing else is crashed. I admit I didn’t realize when I was buying that 200mg /ml tren e was considered a high concentration. It was the only option on his storefront.

 

[DNPstoney]

skaloola" pid='42513' dateline='1550876616:

DNPstoney" pid='42506' dateline='1550875628:

SoCo isn’t going to offer you another shipment, because the same exact thing is likely to happen again.

I am guessing you have never dealt with crashed gear before? Lucky you; it is very common.

All you need to do it heat it up. A candle warmer (~$5-10) will solve this issue, as well as making the oil much quicker when pulling and injecting. You can also try to running the vial under hot water, or try using thongs to dip it into boiling water.

If it still happens, then you might have a valid complaint. But requesting a refund because you can’t be bothered to heat the vial up at all is a bit of a reach. Especially coming from someone who thinks home-brewing is feasible (FYI: homebrewing is MUCH more complicated than putting a vial in boiling water).

Pro-tip: If you live in warm weather and don’t want this to happen again, order in the summer and store your vials in a warm place. Most of the midwest and east coast is going to be cold in the winter months.

I didn’t request a refund. I just said he didn’t offer one or store credit (of a diff product, I wouldn’t order that blend again as it obviously is not stable). If you read my post, I did put the vial in near boiling water (but not boiling water) and it didn’t help. I did somewhat expect hm to offer some kind of compensation, tho.

Since it’s going in the trash anyways, I’m going to try using even hotter water and leaving it in longer and not worrying about whether it degrades the tren or not. I’d like to see if I can actually get it to dissolve if it will just fall back out again in room temperature.

also, I know crashed gear will happen very easily just from being in cold weather. You’ll see the solution as a bit cloudy or maybe a floaty. This looks like a crystal formation on the bottom. Is that “very common”?

edit: I can see from my original post I didn’t make it very clear – the Sdrol fell back into solution w/ just a small amount of heat. The Tren I tried going hotter, but didn’t want to go as far as leaving it in boiling water as I read online that Tren degrades and BA will evaporate.

and fyi, in case it wasn’t clear, I live in warm weather. I’ve got a variety of stock of gear at this point (not one as high as 200mg/ml of tren e, tho) and nothing else is crashed. I admit I didn’t realize when I was buying that 200mg /ml tren e was considered a high concentration. It was the only option on his storefront.

Sorry, I missed the part when you heated it up. I thought you just said you looked into it, but didn’t want to do it because you were afraid of the BA evaporating. That makes your complaint more valid.

The crystals forming at the bottom just means that it crashed hard; cloudy means slightly crashed.

I know you live in hot weather, my point is that depending on the source, the package will be in cold weather during the journey if you are ordering in winter. You would want to order from a source who lives close to you, but I don’t think discussing where sources ship from is something we should discuss on this board (probably violates OPSec).

SoCo doesn’t sell 200mg/ml Tren E - his Tren E is 300mg/ml, which is normally considered slightly higher concentration, which makes it more vulnerable to crashing. Normal concentration for Tren E would be 250mg/ml, though 200mg/ml is also common.

If I were you, I would spend a bit of money on a candle warmer, as it will (probably) save you this vial, as well as improving you QOL when injecting in general.

But, since you did say that you tried to heat it up and it didn’t go back into solution easily, I think your complaint is valid (more valid than I initially thought).

 

[Fatbricks]

skaloola" pid='42502' dateline='1550873638:

Emailed SoCo about this and he told me to heat them up and it’s normal.

Put in my first order w/ SoCo some weeks ago, received their SDrol which was crashed and Tren E which was also crashed. I was also missing one item from my order, but he promised to replace it.

The SDrol had some floaties, nothing crazy. The Tren E was laying on it’s side and on the bottom looks like a crystal rock formation. I emailed SoCo about it and they told me it’s normal in the winter months (well… I store the oils indoors, and it’s warm here, I guess he meant in transit).

I barely had to warm up the SDrol/shake it up and it went back into solution. From Googling, it looks like tren breaks down at a fairly low temperature (read conflicting reports) so I don’t want to go too crazy. I also don’t want to heat it so much that the BA evaporates, but I did try a hot water bath and hot air from an electronics rework station.

As I told SoCo in email, even if I were able to heat this back into solution w/ enough heat (don’t want to degrade the tren / bake off the BA) I’m assuming it’d just fall back out and there’s no way I’m risking an abscess/infection.

I asked on another board and the consensus was if you get crashed gear and it doesn’t go back into solution from sitting in a hot water bath and shaking it up then the source should replace it or refund you. “Most gear will fall out and crash if you put it in freezer, but should be stable at room temperature”

Since SoCo didn’t offer me a refund or resolution besides telling me to heat it up (which didn’t work), I’m posting here and letting people know about it. If I wanted to go through the hassle of all that, I’d buy the raw materials myself.

Here’s a picture of what I’m talking about. Its hard to tell in the picture, but the crystals are across the whole side of the bottle (it was laying on its side).

https://imgur.com/a/em7AZGJ

Not trying to start any shit here, just leaving my experience. Thanks.

I don’t usually talk shit on here… But you are being a fucking whiner bro… Just buy a fucking candle warmer like the rest of us for like 10 dollars and uncrash the gear yourself… Seriously bro, where the fuck do you think you are… This is a minor inconvenience for you receiving shit in the mail to your door which is 100 not legal… C’mon dude… Get it together

 

[skaloola]

DNPstoney" pid='42529' dateline='1550884071:

skaloola" pid='42513' dateline='1550876616:

I didn’t request a refund. I just said he didn’t offer one or store credit (of a diff product, I wouldn’t order that blend again as it obviously is not stable). If you read my post, I did put the vial in near boiling water (but not boiling water) and it didn’t help. I did somewhat expect hm to offer some kind of compensation, tho.

Since it’s going in the trash anyways, I’m going to try using even hotter water and leaving it in longer and not worrying about whether it degrades the tren or not. I’d like to see if I can actually get it to dissolve if it will just fall back out again in room temperature.

also, I know crashed gear will happen very easily just from being in cold weather. You’ll see the solution as a bit cloudy or maybe a floaty. This looks like a crystal formation on the bottom. Is that “very common”?

edit: I can see from my original post I didn’t make it very clear – the Sdrol fell back into solution w/ just a small amount of heat. The Tren I tried going hotter, but didn’t want to go as far as leaving it in boiling water as I read online that Tren degrades and BA will evaporate.

and fyi, in case it wasn’t clear, I live in warm weather. I’ve got a variety of stock of gear at this point (not one as high as 200mg/ml of tren e, tho) and nothing else is crashed. I admit I didn’t realize when I was buying that 200mg /ml tren e was considered a high concentration. It was the only option on his storefront.

Sorry, I missed the part when you heated it up. I thought you just said you looked into it, but didn’t want to do it because you were afraid of the BA evaporating. That makes your complaint more valid.

The crystals forming at the bottom just means that it crashed hard; cloudy means slightly crashed.

I know you live in hot weather, my point is that depending on the source, the package will be in cold weather during the journey if you are ordering in winter. You would want to order from a source who lives close to you, but I don’t think discussing where sources ship from is something we should discuss on this board (probably violates OPSec).

SoCo doesn’t sell 200mg/ml Tren E - his Tren E is 300mg/ml, which is normally considered slightly higher concentration, which makes it more vulnerable to crashing. Normal concentration for Tren E would be 250mg/ml, though 200mg/ml is also common.

If I were you, I would spend a bit of money on a candle warmer, as it will (probably) save you this vial, as well as improving you QOL when injecting in general.

But, since you did say that you tried to heat it up and it didn’t go back into solution easily, I think your complaint is valid (more valid than I initially thought).

Yep, you’re right – fixed the mg/ml concentration in my previous reply. It’s hard to see in my pic, but the size / amount of crystals in the vial is what made me bring this up.
The SDrol vial was just a tiny crystal floating around, but the entire side of the Tren E vial is covered – not just a thin layer – and they’re stuck to the side.

You’re saying it’s really that common to crash that hard? SoCo also told me to try the candle warmer, I don’t see how that’d work so much better than placing the vials in hot water… but looks like they’re $5 on Amazon so worth a shot I guess.

Your comment regarding heating the oils to flow more easily is a good idea too. I remember 15 years ago, the oil used was thick as hell. I used to have heat them up so they would flow more easily through a 22 gauge needle. The oils used now I’ve been able to use a 27 gauge no problem even at room temperature… crazy

In any case, I just don’t know if I feel safe pinning this stuff. If I somehow get it back in solution and it stays that way for a week then I’d be cool with it.

 

[Fatbricks]

skaloola" pid='42542' dateline='1550888245:

DNPstoney" pid='42529' dateline='1550884071:

skaloola" pid='42513' dateline='1550876616:

I didn’t request a refund. I just said he didn’t offer one or store credit (of a diff product, I wouldn’t order that blend again as it obviously is not stable). If you read my post, I did put the vial in near boiling water (but not boiling water) and it didn’t help. I did somewhat expect hm to offer some kind of compensation, tho.

Since it’s going in the trash anyways, I’m going to try using even hotter water and leaving it in longer and not worrying about whether it degrades the tren or not. I’d like to see if I can actually get it to dissolve if it will just fall back out again in room temperature.

also, I know crashed gear will happen very easily just from being in cold weather. You’ll see the solution as a bit cloudy or maybe a floaty. This looks like a crystal formation on the bottom. Is that “very common”?

edit: I can see from my original post I didn’t make it very clear – the Sdrol fell back into solution w/ just a small amount of heat. The Tren I tried going hotter, but didn’t want to go as far as leaving it in boiling water as I read online that Tren degrades and BA will evaporate.

and fyi, in case it wasn’t clear, I live in warm weather. I’ve got a variety of stock of gear at this point (not one as high as 200mg/ml of tren e, tho) and nothing else is crashed. I admit I didn’t realize when I was buying that 200mg /ml tren e was considered a high concentration. It was the only option on his storefront.

Sorry, I missed the part when you heated it up. I thought you just said you looked into it, but didn’t want to do it because you were afraid of the BA evaporating. That makes your complaint more valid.

The crystals forming at the bottom just means that it crashed hard; cloudy means slightly crashed.

I know you live in hot weather, my point is that depending on the source, the package will be in cold weather during the journey if you are ordering in winter. You would want to order from a source who lives close to you, but I don’t think discussing where sources ship from is something we should discuss on this board (probably violates OPSec).

SoCo doesn’t sell 200mg/ml Tren E - his Tren E is 300mg/ml, which is normally considered slightly higher concentration, which makes it more vulnerable to crashing. Normal concentration for Tren E would be 250mg/ml, though 200mg/ml is also common.

If I were you, I would spend a bit of money on a candle warmer, as it will (probably) save you this vial, as well as improving you QOL when injecting in general.

But, since you did say that you tried to heat it up and it didn’t go back into solution easily, I think your complaint is valid (more valid than I initially thought).

Yep, you’re right – fixed the mg/ml concentration in my previous reply. It’s hard to see in my pic, but the size / amount of crystals in the vial is what made me bring this up.
The SDrol vial was just a tiny crystal floating around, but the entire side of the Tren E vial is covered – not just a thin layer – and they’re stuck to the side.

You’re saying it’s really that common to crash that hard? SoCo also told me to try the candle warmer, I don’t see how that’d work so much better than placing the vials in hot water… but looks like they’re $5 on Amazon so worth a shot I guess.

Your comment regarding heating the oils to flow more easily is a good idea too. I remember 15 years ago, the oil used was thick as hell. I used to have heat them up so they would flow more easily through a 22 gauge needle. The oils used now I’ve been able to use a 27 gauge no problem even at room temperature… crazy

In any case, I just don’t know if I feel safe pinning this stuff. If I somehow get it back in solution and it stays that way for a week then I’d be cool with it.

If it wasn’t fine to use then every single person you have asked so far wouldnt have told you to still use it… C’mon bro

 

[Bearslovecheese]

The 300mg/mL concentration is going to be prone to crashing. I don’t know HOW Versace managed to do it with MCT and no super solvents but it never crashed.

The candle warmer is fucking boss. Seriously. Get one. I would never NOT have one just for warming my oil to draw nad inject. Smooth as silk doing both now. Pisses me off if I’m in a hurry at this point and try to skip that step.

 

[DNPstoney]

A little cloudy means it started to crash; crystals means it has crashed (almost) completely. If it is winter, and the gear is at sub-freezing temperatures, it is likely to crash completely. Higher concentration gear also makes this more likely. Not sure if the M840 is different than other oils in this aspect.

I have used SoCo’s Tren E a lot and never had this problem. I ordered from him in the summer though.

I have heard of people having bad reactions to the M840, and slightly more PIP from higher concentration gear, but never about the Tren E 300mg/ml specifically. If you could get it back into solution, I wouldn’t worry about it tbh.

I have had gear crash to the point of crystallization, and when it returned to normal after heating, I pinned it with no problem (no PIP or anything like that).

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Bearslovecheese" pid='42547' dateline='1550889994:

The 300mg/mL concentration is going to be prone to crashing. I don’t know HOW Versace managed to do it with MCT and no super solvents but it never crashed.

The candle warmer is fucking boss. Seriously. Get one. I would never NOT have one just for warming my oil to draw nad inject. Smooth as silk doing both now. Pisses me off if I’m in a hurry at this point and try to skip that step.

Honestly, a candle warmer has cut down my inject time by half (at least), and has made injecting way less stressful in general. No sitting there for 5 minutes pulling. Now, I can pull 1ml in 10 seconds easily, and pin about 20-30 seconds per ml with no PIP at all.

Easy worth it to me.

 

[Rcd3t]

Jesus Christ dude.

Put that in the microwave. Warm it up for 45 seconds pull it out with some paper towel wrapped around it and shake the shit out of it. Boom back into solution and it won’t crash again.

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

skaloola" pid='42542' dateline='1550888245:

SoCo also told me to try the candle warmer, I don’t see how that’d work so much better than placing the vials in hot water…

It does work better because it holds it at a steady temp and you can just leave it there till its unfucked. might take 20 minutes, might take an hour or 2, just leave it on till its good and then it’ll be fine.

Throwing away perfectly good tren is retarded btw.

 

[Jacked]

I mean at this point he is kinda retarded, hes been told 37 times to warm the shit and how to go about it and he just keeps on fighting what hes been told to just so he can keep bitching.

 

[skaloola]

Jacked" pid='42580' dateline='1550933196:

I mean at this point he is kinda retarded, hes been told 37 times to warm the shit and how to go about it and he just keeps on fighting what hes been told to just so he can keep bitching.

I wasn’t going to reply anymore, but since you decided to be a dick I now feel the need to

I reread my posts, the OP and then 2 replies to DNPStoney. The 2nd reply I said I’d give the candle warmer a try. Nowhere in my posts do I see myself coming off as whining or bitching.

I explained heating it didn’t help, although I didn’t go as far as leaving it in boiling water because I didn’t want the tren to degrade. (Even tried a hot air station) I also said I’d try the candle warmer, but didn’t see how that would work any better than a water bath – SoCo was kind enough to explain the advantage, tho. I’ve got one coming from Amazon.

I posted this here mostly as feedbacK I mentioned this already, but I’ve been out of the game since 15 or so years, things seem to have changed. Apparently receiving vials that have a thick layer of crystals stuck to the side is normal.

Fill me in here please. Assuming the candle warmer works to get the crystals dissolved, should it then be stable at room temperature (67F)? Or would a solution that keeps recrystallizing at room temperature still just be me bitching unnecessarily and waste everyones time making a post about it?

That’s not sarcasm, I honestly want to know, since a couple of you now seem to think this post is worthless and just me whining.

 

[Rcd3t]

skaloola" pid='42598' dateline='1550943304:

Jacked" pid='42580' dateline='1550933196:

I mean at this point he is kinda retarded, hes been told 37 times to warm the shit and how to go about it and he just keeps on fighting what hes been told to just so he can keep bitching.

I wasn’t going to reply anymore, but since you decided to be a dick I now feel the need to

I reread my posts, the OP and then 2 replies to DNPStoney. The 2nd reply I said I’d give the candle warmer a try. Nowhere in my posts do I see myself coming off as whining or bitching.

I explained heating it didn’t help, although I didn’t go as far as leaving it in boiling water because I didn’t want the tren to degrade. (Even tried a hot air station) I also said I’d try the candle warmer, but didn’t see how that would work any better than a water bath – SoCo was kind enough to explain the advantage, tho. I’ve got one coming from Amazon.

I posted this here mostly as feedbacK I mentioned this already, but I’ve been out of the game since 15 or so years, things seem to have changed. Apparently receiving vials that have a thick layer of crystals stuck to the side is normal.

Fill me in here please. Assuming the candle warmer works to get the crystals dissolved, should it then be stable at room temperature (67F)? Or would a solution that keeps recrystallizing at room temperature still just be me bitching unnecessarily and waste everyones time making a post about it?

That’s not sarcasm, I honestly want to know, since a couple of you now seem to think this post is worthless and just me whining.

I’m telling you the micro wave is better solution. The only time I had a problem was when I set it for a minute and the tren was more bronze when it came out.

Anyways if it’s brewed correctly it should not come out of solution at room temperature. I’d personally toss if it did. That’s just my opinion.

 

[Jacked]

Basically this, if you get it back into solution completely and then it crashes again at room temp, yeah toss it and see if SoCo will compensate for it. But atm you are the only person to report this problem with SoCo Tren. Lots of crashed gear this time of year depending on where its coming from/going and people have been getting it back into solution for years.

So try it, if it works great, you learned how to fix a minor issue. If it doesnt, then sure there is something else going on that can be addressed then.

 

[damnittanner]

Yo just to give my two cents, I just received an order from SoCo two days ago with a tren E crashed. But I didnt think twice, put it in front of a portable heater and walked away. Came back an hour later it was good to go! It’s the name of the game during the winter months. Hope that helps, best of luck!

 

[Jacked]

There ya go, source explained the possible cause and reasoning behind it.

 

[DNPstoney]

skaloola" pid='42598' dateline='1550943304:

Jacked" pid='42580' dateline='1550933196:

I mean at this point he is kinda retarded, hes been told 37 times to warm the shit and how to go about it and he just keeps on fighting what hes been told to just so he can keep bitching.

I wasn’t going to reply anymore, but since you decided to be a dick I now feel the need to

I reread my posts, the OP and then 2 replies to DNPStoney. The 2nd reply I said I’d give the candle warmer a try. Nowhere in my posts do I see myself coming off as whining or bitching.

I explained heating it didn’t help, although I didn’t go as far as leaving it in boiling water because I didn’t want the tren to degrade. (Even tried a hot air station) I also said I’d try the candle warmer, but didn’t see how that would work any better than a water bath – SoCo was kind enough to explain the advantage, tho. I’ve got one coming from Amazon.

I posted this here mostly as feedbacK I mentioned this already, but I’ve been out of the game since 15 or so years, things seem to have changed. Apparently receiving vials that have a thick layer of crystals stuck to the side is normal.

Fill me in here please. Assuming the candle warmer works to get the crystals dissolved, should it then be stable at room temperature (67F)? Or would a solution that keeps recrystallizing at room temperature still just be me bitching unnecessarily and waste everyones time making a post about it?

That’s not sarcasm, I honestly want to know, since a couple of you now seem to think this post is worthless and just me whining.

Don’t mind him, some people just get off at telling people off (I blame people not tracking their E2 levels). I admit I was a bit harsh at first too, but that was because I thought you didn’t try heating it. There are 500 different ways to heat it as people claim, so if you tried 1 or 2, I don’t think it makes you stupid in any way. You clarified that you did try to heat it up to no avail, but are willing and planning to try another method. People calling you names and getting angry just get their kicks from telling someone who is inexperienced they are beneath them.

It shouldn’t crash again at room temperature. At least, not as hard. What I do is just have a candle warmer pluged in on my bathroom counter. On mornings I pin, I go in, throw my vials on it and turn it on. Then I do something else for ~10 minutes, and then go inject. This makes injecting easy, and would also solve any problems with crashing gear (if that happens to you). SoCo explains below why it would crash at room temperature.

And, again, crashed gear is only normal in the winter months (like February, which it is now). If you don’t want to do this, order around July-August and you shouldn’t have this problem. Alternatively, you could order from a few sources until you find one that ships from your same state.

 

[HeathGT]

I ordered a couple vials of NPP 200 from SoCo, this shit was crashed hard AF, as expected. It was a full vial of solid crystal lmao. Bought a candle warmer off Amazon for $6.99 , put them on there for about 5-10 min at a time shaking each time i checked them, had them completely uncrashed within 30 min. Never crashed again. This is common and easily fixed bro. SoCo is good to go.