If you want to feel good and potentially not need an AI at all depending on your choice of dosing, Test/Primo/Dbol is a great combo of 3 feel good compounds that all pack on mass and work synergistically. Primo helps keep you dry and hard while packing on real tissue not just glycogen and water, and dbol helps throw on the quick mass, and the test just does what test does. If your primo is legit, and dosed high enough in relation to the dbol and test, you may not even need an AI. How do you think Arnold and everyone in the golden era didn’t all have gyno despite AI’s and SERMs not existing? They used enough primo to manage the aromatization of the dbol, which can effectively replace test in regards to estrogen production (they didn’t have test either… they had primo and dbol and thats it, and they did just fine.)
Real, dosed as advertised primo, does a pretty damn good job, almost as good as masteron, at blocking E2 and methyl-E2. 150mg test/ 400mg of @“HunterPharm” 's dope AF primo had my E2 undetectable (literally 0), and I can’t cruise without an AI above 80mg test without getting gyno (I aromatize like a motherfucker). Literally the only downside to primo is how hard it is on the hair; you will shed on it even if you aren’t genetically prone, it just wont be as bad as someone prone to MPB.
Another good option, but not fully optimal but because one is a 19-nor and has some serious interactions with neurotransmitters and progesterone, is test/nandrolone/mast or primo. Again, if you dose the primo or masteron properly in relation to the test and nandrolone doses, you won’t need an AI.
To be honest, I would just take as much primo as I could afford and pair it with just enough test to keep my E2 in range without needing an AI, train hard, and maintain a proper diet. Real primo at the actual advertised dose packs on mass much better than people realize because until recently almost no one got real primo, or at the very least fully dosed primo.
I packed on more mass with 175mg test/ 400mg primo than I did with 250 test/ 300 nandrolone / 800 boldenone/ anavar – just to give you an idea how good perfectly legit primo is.
In all honesty if you know how to properly use DHTs like primo and masteron, you shouldn’t need an AI, ever. The only issue is hair loss, but that’s just part of the game.
If you don’t want to deal with the methyl-E2 of the dbol, replace it with M1T, it packs on mass just as well if not better, it just doesn’t make you feel good like dbol does.
IMHO, now that it’s easy to get real primo, the best AI free, side effect free bulking cycle was always test/nandrolone/masteron. Now that it’s easy to get real primo, if you have the money, things are a lot more simple.
~400-900mg primo and just enough test to get your E2 up to a healthy level is IMHO the best cycle there is for everything (bulking, cutting, recomping – just modulate your caloric intake and cardio depending on what you want to do). Proper training, proper diet, a reasonable amount of primo, and enough test to get your E2 into range, is in my opinion, the best way to put on clean sustainable mass with the least amount of side effects and literally 0 ancillaries (AI’s, serms, liver protection, etc.)
If you want to take that to the next level, 3iu of legit GH and some anavar will blow you away. Just enough test to not need an AI, your chosen dose of primo, 50-100mg a day of var, and 3iu of real GH is hands down the best cycle there is factoring in side effects, health, and need for ancillaries.
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Trest With a superdrol kickstart and TNE pre workout
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Maybe you could add npp , but trest and superdrol is so strong it might not add much
Completely unnecessarily difficult methyl estrogen management (trestolone), liver stress/toxicity (superdrol), and wild E2 fluctuations (TNE).
Definitely not a thread ender, sorry brother. No doubt it’s a very powerful stack, but its not worth the estrogen hassle and health issues.