Replacing Tren with Primo in the Holy Trinity

[Kartist915]

I’m new to the forum but not gear, I’m almost 53 yrs old, 5’8”, 190 lbs, about 11-13%bf.

I just Had to abort my second blast cycle which was Test E, Mast E and Anavar. The Anavar destroyed my liver, gave me DILI (drug induced liver injury) which sounds much worse than it is. But my bloodwork was ugly, I looked anemic. So I had to go back into cruise mode early.
Because everyone told me Anavar is mild, it mostly affects the kidneys, and so on, I used it in spite of having some experience with liver problems from using an over the counter precursor stack a few years back.
I started getting ridiculously painful heartburn and reflux, had bloodwork done and was like whoa! I stopped the Var cold about 3 weeks ago, stayed at cruise level with the other stuff, started a liver detox with some milk thistle and things, and already my bloodwork looks good again, almost normal.
I plan to do another blast cycle once things have completely stabilized. I was going to do a Holy Trinity cycle (Test, Mast, Tren) but, as I’m sure you all know, the liver risks on Tren are high for an injectable, and even if that’s still relatively low, I’m not going to play with it.

Someone on another forum recommended Primo instead of Tren, and it seemed like a good idea to me, but as I’ve been reading the last few days, people often compare Mast and Primo, if these compounds are synonymous, I’m not sure that’s the right one for replacing the Tren. I know there is no true substitute for what Tren does, but I thought Primo offered similar effects in a smaller, safer scale. Sort of like injectable Anavar.

Anyway, anyone have any input on a way I can do a version of the Holy Trinity blast without Tren? Is primo a good safe alternative for fat burn and lean muscle gain?

FYI: I’m on a cruise right now that’s 125mg Test, 100mg Mast 70mg deca a week. I don’t do blast level deca ever, I don't like moon face, water retention, puffiness and all that comes with it at higher doses

thanks in advance

 

[Aoi_611]

Tren, at least in my experience, was not hepatoxic and did not impact my liver. At least nothing like an oral would. Tren, I think used in responsible (lowish) doses here and there isn’t catastrophic on your bloodwork. Neurologically? Throw all of that out the window because fucking god knows how it will affect you mentally over time.

Primo is a good option but be mindful in that it is going to lower your estrogen. Something mast will also do. You may have to effectively cut your primo and mast doses in half to make this work, and primo really isn’t worth dick below 200mg. In my opinion anyway.

You might be better off running a test, mast, npp cycle. Subbing the npp for tren. 300/300/300 would be great and a lot easier on the mind and body.

 

[Kartist915]

Thanks, i dont know about NPP, I actually ordered a bottle of Tren with the other stuff, i may try a true holy trinity with the tren kind of low, im worried about the liver first and my mood second. But i may try it

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I hope more people read your post. It's very educational to all the herbs that come here and want to run anavar only cycles. It's a dangerous drug especially when people don't know their starting point with their kidneys and liver. If they're already fucked up this drug is not going to go well.

Look into some glutathione preferably injectable to help with the kidneys and liver and I hope everything looks good for you in the future.

 

[Bigdovis2]

Damn, that’s wild var fucked you up that bad.
I would tell you test npp mast. It’s usually what I do. Tried to experiment with adding npp only for 6-8 weeks because I don’t love the mental sides and it’ll just give me anxiety. Then you just gotta take p5p for that as well. The mast helps with deca dick and the mental sides but another thing is it makes me lethargic as fuck.

I agree with the other guy, primo isn’t really worth much at I would even say 300 & below for muscle gaining purposes. Aesthetics I hear guys run it with their “trt”. Also you’d grow more with npp & spend less money.

Just to reiterate, npp isn’t perfect. It’s a better option than tren but it is a 19-nor. My blood work was fine on 500-400-300 test mast npp, I mean cholesterol was a bottle funky but to be expected with 400 mast for me. Lastly fuck orals. They don’t do to me what happened to you but I generally just think they are too useful unless your at a bodybuilding show or powerlifting. Proviron is cool though.

 

[Kartist915]

Can someone point me to a good deacription of npp? Im not familair with it and i dont what a 19nor is, isnt test in oil a 17 nor? I need to learn more about what that means. Any recommended reading would be much appreciated

 

[Kartist915]

I found readings on NPP, no way im messing with that stuff, its like all I hate about Deca amplified. Unless im misunderstanding something.
Ill try higher primo and lower my usual blast level of mast, or maybe add a little tren on top of the others, see what happens.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I found readings on NPP, no way im messing with that stuff, its like all I hate about Deca amplified. Unless im misunderstanding something.
Ill try higher primo and lower my usual blast level of mast, or maybe add a little tren on top of the others, see what happens.

I've never fucked with NPP because of how shitty I feel on deca. Probably a good call

 

[Kartist915]

Yeah, people who blast deca look funny af to me, moon faced and puffy, ughh. I actually do 60mf of deca a week when i cruise, which im doing currently. It helps ny old ass joints. But i never blast it.

 

[Aoi_611]

I found readings on NPP, no way im messing with that stuff, its like all I hate about Deca amplified. Unless im misunderstanding something.
Ill try higher primo and lower my usual blast level of mast, or maybe add a little tren on top of the others, see what happens.

You’re misunderstanding something because they are the same thing just different esters. It’s all Nandrolone.

NPP is a shorter ester. Not quite as wet in my opinion, good fullness, and joints feel great. If you get weird mental sides then it will clear much faster than deca because of the shorter ester. Half life is about 3 days.

Deca is the long ester. More watery in my opinion. Joints feel good, essentially the same thing but takes much longer to clear. Half life is 6-12 days.

 

[Kartist915]

Ok, thanks man. I do Deca at a low dose on my cruise. About 75mg a week (hard to get exact with oil in a 3cc syringe, but just shy of the 4th mark which would be 80) I do it strictly for my joints, that’s all. I just read the side effects of NPP and decided to stay away, maybe i will try it on my cruise, I’m not going to blast it, I don't want anything where moon face and puffiness is a potential side effect.

 

[Aoi_611]

Regarding the moon face and puffiness…

if one is using NPP with mast, in addition to test, the mast is gonna dry you out and prevent that water rentention. That is a cutting cycle after all. The NPP is just in there for muscle fullness and some strength (if you get that from it)

Moderate cycle of npp is 200-300mg. Of course guys go way over that, but that’s a good feeler dose.

 

[Kartist915]

Cool, im going to order an npp and experiment a little, thanks for the tip

 

[Kartist915]

Regarding the moon face and puffiness…

if one is using NPP with mast, in addition to test, the mast is gonna dry you out and prevent that water rentention. That is a cutting cycle after all. The NPP is just in there for muscle fullness and some strength (if you get that from it)

Moderate cycle of npp is 200-300mg. Of course guys go way over that, but that’s a good feeler dose.

What about npp, primo and test, get the same drying with the primo right? Plus some muscle gain and weight loss? I ordered all of that. I have primo mast test npp and tren coming. Lol. I only order twice a year or so, and I am not sure the right thing for me yet. I was digging mast test var but then i got sick.

Thoughts on primo npp test? And dosage amounts if you think its worth trying ? Im responding to this comment, but anyone with input im open to all suggestions