Newbie needs advice from seasoned members

[erostgol]

Hi Guys,
I just had a few quick questions. I am genetically a smaller dude. I work out at home but dont really blast at the gym. Im thinking I want to try to give my body a little boost. I got a T test done at my doctors thinking I might be low but she says im in normal range for a 40 year old guy. My results were Test - 415ng/dl, Calculated free test 86.9pg/ml, albumin 4.6g/dl. From what I can tell it looks like im the low side of normal. So given all that can you guys tell me what might be good for me to try to help me break through and put on a little mass. im not looking to be a monster or anything but a little bulk would be nice. Also what is the opinion on something like a cream as im not a huge fan of needles? I was thinking of trying just some test but let me know what you guys think and at the above numbers how much I should really be looking to take.

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

300mg a week. This can be accomplished with baby insulin needles subq.

0.3ml of oil subq every other day isn't exactly fun, but for anyone with a needle problem you take what you can get.

A step up from that would be using half inch 29g insulin needles and learning to pin shallow areas given you are low enough body fat (delt pec tricep) but that can be a little advanced.Learning how to use inch long needles, probably 27g or so in your glute and VG are the easier spots. Both these approaches you'd pin every 3.5 days instead of every other day.

No creams. No pills.

 

[hexagonal]

Hi Guys,
I just had a few quick questions. I am genetically a smaller dude. I work out at home but dont really blast at the gym. Im thinking I want to try to give my body a little boost. I got a T test done at my doctors thinking I might be low but she says im in normal range for a 40 year old guy. My results were Test - 415ng/dl, Calculated free test 86.9pg/ml, albumin 4.6g/dl. From what I can tell it looks like im the low side of normal. So given all that can you guys tell me what might be good for me to try to help me break through and put on a little mass. im not looking to be a monster or anything but a little bulk would be nice. Also what is the opinion on something like a cream as im not a huge fan of needles? I was thinking of trying just some test but let me know what you guys think and at the above numbers how much I should really be looking to take.

Learn to pin. It's really not that bad and you get used to it fast. Lots of downsides to creams/gels, including potentially spreading it to your partner, having to apply multiple times a day, etc. You'll also see more peaks/valleys on T levels vs. injection. That will make it a bit closer to natural production, but with injections once you get levels built up they'll be much more stable, especially pinning EOD, E3.5D, etc. and that's better for building muscle.

If you really dislike injections you can use one of the insulin pens people use for insulin/peptides. I do this when traveling for work. You use a regular syringe to transfer from the vial to the pen cartridge, and then use the pen to meter out the dosage, use disposable needle caps, etc. Then you jab yourself with the pen and push down on the plunger. The oil being thicker than a peptide/bac water solution means you have to go in stages and do a bit at a time, but it works and it also is zero effort in the airport since it just looks like an insulin pen.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Find a clinic, get on TRT. Or buy some test and start 200mg-300mg per week. Get over the needle thing and use a 1cc luer lock syringe, draw with a 23g and pin with a 27g or 29g 1" or 1/2" needle. You can do .2 or .3cc at a time without even noticing it.

Also, get your diet together and propritize protein intake. Learn some basics of bodybuilding styled dieting from youtube, there is a PLETHORA of information available nowadays.

 

[BBBG]

Creams are easy to use. Just squirt the desired amount into the palm of your hand, reach down and flip your skirt up and smear it all over your vaginer.

 

[Sector]

415ng/dl is actually good for 40.

The creams are pretty close to useless. Their absorption rate is garbage. Either inject the testosterone or stay natty

 

[erostgol]

300mg a week. This can be accomplished with baby insulin needles subq.

0.3ml of oil subq every other day isn't exactly fun, but for anyone with a needle problem you take what you can get.

A step up from that would be using half inch 29g insulin needles and learning to pin shallow areas given you are low enough body fat (delt pec tricep) but that can be a little advanced.Learning how to use inch long needles, probably 27g or so in your glute and VG are the easier spots. Both these approaches you'd pin every 3.5 days instead of every other day.

No creams. No pills.

Ok a few questions. Given the numbers I posted Test - 415ng/dl, Calculated free test 86.9pg/ml, albumin 4.6g/dl. 300Mg a week sounds about where I want to be to accomplish my goals? Also is Test what I want to be using? I notice Viper has Test C, E, and P is C the standard and what I should use? Should that 300Mg be split up like 1/2 ml one day then 1/2ml 3 days later or should I do the 1ml all at once?

Test C	250mg/ml	10ML	35.00
Test E	250mg/ml	10ML	35.00
Test P	100mg/ml	10ML	25.00

 

[dick_starbuck]

The questions you're asking are very remedial. You should do yourself a favor and take some time reading and educating yourself before you take the plunge. Don't just take the advice of some bros on the internet.

Test cyp is the standard for the USA prescription for TRT. The more frequently you dose your testosterone, the more stable the levels, the less likely you are to experience adverse effects. .5cc of 250mg/ml 2x a week is fine to begin with.

 

[erostgol]

The questions you're asking are very remedial. You should do yourself a favor and take some time reading and educating yourself before you take the plunge. Don't just take the advice of some bros on the internet.

Test cyp is the standard for the USA prescription for TRT. The more frequently you dose your testosterone, the more stable the levels, the less likely you are to experience adverse effects. .5cc of 250mg/ml 2x a week is fine to begin with.

Fair I am currently just Information gathering. I was not about to just randomly jab myself

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

@erostgol

E or c not going to matter much at 2x a week or more often.

Dose the same amount every injection.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The questions you're asking are very remedial. You should do yourself a favor and take some time reading and educating yourself before you take the plunge. Don't just take the advice of some bros on the internet.

Test cyp is the standard for the USA prescription for TRT. The more frequently you dose your testosterone, the more stable the levels, the less likely you are to experience adverse effects. .5cc of 250mg/ml 2x a week is fine to begin with.

@erostgol, almost guaranteed to get side effects at 250/wk - it's called a cycle because you take that dose until you get sick of the side effects. Then "cycle" off and switch to TRT which might be half that weekly dose (depending on blood work and feelz).

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

@erostgol, almost guaranteed to get side effects at 250/wk - it's called a cycle because you take that dose until you get sick of the side effects. Then "cycle" off and switch to TRT which might be half that weekly dose (depending on blood work and feelz).

Lol what? I wasn't getting significant sides on 500 other than testicular atrophy and I give zero Fs about that.

 

[dick_starbuck]

@erostgol, almost guaranteed to get side effects at 250/wk - it's called a cycle because you take that dose until you get sick of the side effects. Then "cycle" off and switch to TRT which might be half that weekly dose (depending on blood work and feelz).

I don't know about sides at 250mg, but maybe. Everyone's mileage varies. Personally my TRT dose is 280mg a week and that only puts me just under 1000ng/dl. No side effects there.

When I was a skinny fat gym bro 300mg of test gave me estrogen sides etc. So it really all depends.

 

[Jgsturge]

I didn't start feeling bad at 35 until 314 ng/dl. Then I knew something was wrong. Creams, gels, troches = trash. They put me on an IM injection and it changed my life, back to feeling normal. If your goal is to feel normal and run high/normal levels of test, you can likely get there under 200mg/week but that is all personal biology specific that would need to be verified with regular testing.

 

[BBBG]

@erostgol, almost guaranteed to get side effects at 250/wk - it's called a cycle because you take that dose until you get sick of the side effects. Then "cycle" off and switch to TRT which might be half that weekly dose (depending on blood work and feelz).

Yea, I don’t know about this one. I don’t get sides at 250 mg/week. It all depends on the person.

What’s a “cruise” then?

 

[Jgsturge]

Yea, I don’t know about this one. I don’t get sides at 250 mg/week. It all depends on the person.

What’s a “cruise” then?

I had a nasty experience my first rumble in under Doctors care with sides at 200mg/wk. They had me once a week injection though and I was a basket case from the ups and downs. >1500 total t from 300 ng/dl. My advice here is just to take caution if you are unfamiliar and use these guys as resources. @BBBG and others on your thread helping are the same ones who guided me into safe and effective use.

 

[Astro95]

Wild how without knowing anything about this dude aside from being 40 with T levels in the 400s everyone is quick to suggest Test and dosages.

You don’t need steroids to “put on a little mass” what you need to do is learn how to train and eat properly and then do it consistently.

What does your training at home consist of? How many days a week? Why don’t you go to the gym? How much do you weigh? Lean or fat?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Lol what? I wasn't getting significant sides on 500 other than testicular atrophy and I give zero Fs about that.

No skin problems on 500 mg/wk? Unless you previously ran a course of accutane, you're one of the lucky ones.

Hair loss takes a lot longer to notice, but it doesn't happen to everyone (and can be mitigated with more drugs).

 

[AlexDavis43]

Yea, I don’t know about this one. I don’t get sides at 250 mg/week. It all depends on the person.

What’s a “cruise” then?

Agree it depends on the person. 200 mg/wk can cause puberty-like acne & oily skin.

They want muscle gains and improved mood/libido but also get pimples and thinning hair.

Some get no sides, probably have great genetics.

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

No skin problems on 500 mg/wk? Unless you previously ran a course of accutane, you're one of the lucky ones.

Hair loss takes a lot longer to notice, but it doesn't happen to everyone (and can be mitigated with more drugs).

Nope. Never had to run accutane only have acne issues if im blasting HCG or tren.

Don't have hair loss issues. On any dose of test. I don't take fin or anything else for it.

Been doing it awhile.