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Nandrolone, yay or nay?

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newbieforever2016

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I am a long term NPP fanboi. Positive and negative comments come and go and I am curious about the current consensus viewpoint regarding it's risk/reward ratio. Periodically scientific journals are posted mentioning how much more damage it does to blood vessels versus testosterone but on the other side the anabolic versus androgenic ratio is such a positive. Some like to run it solo whereas others like to pair it with a trt dose of testosterone. I would appreciate all opinions regarding NPP specifically, not Deca. Thanks in advance.
 
Azrael

Azrael

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Currently running 300mg of Test E a week paired with 280 NPP/week both measured out to daily injections.
(actually, I switched to Deca very recently but I will talk about the NPP because that is what you asked.)
I love Nandrolone. I do not get bad sides from it (at least at this dose) at all. Dick works, lifts going up in the gym weekly, all the good stuff.
Not sure if I get any depression because I am dealing with some shitty things in life right now that make me kind of depressed at times, but the NPP did not seem to make it any worse or better.
 
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newbieforever2016

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Azrael said:
Currently running 300mg of Test E a week paired with 280 NPP/week both measured out to daily injections.
(actually, I switched to Deca very recently but I will talk about the NPP because that is what you asked.)
I love Nandrolone. I do not get bad sides from it (at least at this dose) at all. Dick works, lifts going up in the gym weekly, all the good stuff.
Not sure if I get any depression because I am dealing with some shitty things in life right now that make me kind of depressed at times, but the NPP did not seem to make it any worse or better.
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Thanks so much for your response and may the good gainz be yours.
 
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JamesDoe350

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npp is great! i love it second to eq. i ran mine too high and got "deca dick" but came down and added an ai and im blowing the wifes back out again. npp is a baby version of tren. keeeps the joints lubed, strong, can do what you want, cut bulk on. IMO mild sides besides e.d. issues and FOR ME emotional highs and lows. never cried but one min on the alpha and the next i wanna run away and never come back. once you realize its the drug youre golden. npp over deca cause how fast its out.

if youre slinging dick to random girls, make sure to have your ai or prolactin covered. if youre in a relationship and she knows, still have it but wait it out.
 
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Luxferro

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50-100 mg per week is good for joint lubrication and increased collagen synthesis without significant risk of deca dick or adverse psychological effects.

The cardiovascular toxicity of nandrolone may stem from its relatively poor aromatization. Either way, studies have shown that supplementing with 600 mg of MK7 Vitamin K2 will protect the heart and other vasculature from nandrolone.

As far as NPP versus Deca, they are literally the same drug with a different ester. Use Deca if you want to avoid pinning large volumes or if you want to inject less frequently.
 
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newbieforever2016

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Exactly, both are nandrolone. I have never read about 600 mg of MK7 Vitamin K2 to help protect the circulatory system though, definitely need to research that. Thanks!!!
 
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Luxferro

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One major WARNING I want to give is the following:

To anyone who has ADHD, the use of 19-Nors will make your meds ineffective. Exact reasons aren’t well understood, but it’s thought to be due to a change in neurotransmitter balance/signaling pathways in response to the use of 19-Nors.
 
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CialisPalace

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Luxferro said:
One major WARNING I want to give is the following:

To anyone who has ADHD, the use of 19-Nors will make your meds ineffective. Exact reasons aren’t well understood, but it’s thought to be due to a change in neurotransmitter balance/signaling pathways in response to the use of 19-Nors.
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And DO NOT fuck with caber and adhd meds!
 
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newbieforever2016

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Luxferro said:
One major WARNING I want to give is the following:

To anyone who has ADHD, the use of 19-Nors will make your meds ineffective. Exact reasons aren’t well understood, but it’s thought to be due to a change in neurotransmitter balance/signaling pathways in response to the use of 19-Nors.
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Thank you so much for this important informaton. I wonder how this applies to people without adhd who take any form of stimulants as a pre-workout.
 
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newbieforever2016

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Azrael said:
Currently running 300mg of Test E a week paired with 280 NPP/week both measured out to daily injections.
(actually, I switched to Deca very recently but I will talk about the NPP because that is what you asked.)
I love Nandrolone. I do not get bad sides from it (at least at this dose) at all. Dick works, lifts going up in the gym weekly, all the good stuff.
Not sure if I get any depression because I am dealing with some shitty things in life right now that make me kind of depressed at times, but the NPP did not seem to make it any worse or better.
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I hope that your life situation improves rapidly but on a positive note exercise, imho, is probably the safest and most effective antidepressant. No, I am not advocating that people who are prescribed ADs stop using them, just sayin'.
 
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newbieforever2016

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JamesDoe350 said:
npp is great! i love it second to eq. i ran mine too high and got "deca dick" but came down and added an ai and im blowing the wifes back out again. npp is a baby version of tren. keeeps the joints lubed, strong, can do what you want, cut bulk on. IMO mild sides besides e.d. issues and FOR ME emotional highs and lows. never cried but one min on the alpha and the next i wanna run away and never come back. once you realize its the drug youre golden. npp over deca cause how fast its out.

if youre slinging dick to random girls, make sure to have your ai or prolactin covered. if youre in a relationship and she knows, still have it but wait it out.
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You are not alone regarding emotional highs and lows, even watching something sad on tv is so much more intense.
 
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Luxferro

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CialisPalace said:
And DO NOT fuck with caber and adhd meds!
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Also forgot to add that this applies for other psychoactive drugs as well such as antidepressants and recreational drugs.

Something about nandrolone and other 19-Nor derivatives specifically seems to alter your brain’s neurochemistry in strange ways.
 
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Luxferro

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Morningcupofjuice said:
Why do you say this? Ive been using prami to counter prolactin and take adderall daily with no problem. Whats different with caber?
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Mostly likely because of the risk of schizophrenic symptoms from an excess of dopamine.

ADHD meds raise dopamine levels. Caber also raises dopamine levels. Combine the two together and you can wind up with an excessive amount of dopamine in your brain that can make you do/think dangerous things such as:

1. Hallucinate
2. Enter a manic state
3. Experience immense anxiety
4. Engage in risky, impulsive behavior due to a lack of inhibition.
 
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newbieforever2016

Active member
Luxferro said:
Mostly likely because of the risk of schizophrenic symptoms from an excess of dopamine.

ADHD meds raise dopamine levels. Caber also raises dopamine levels. Combine the two together and you can wind up with an excessive amount of dopamine in your brain that can make you do/think dangerous things such as:

1. Hallucinate
2. Enter a manic state
3. Experience immense anxiety
4. Engage in risky, impulsive behavior due to a lack of inhibition.
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Thanks for your comment which caused me to do some follow up research on caber. Going to place my order after posting this:

"It has at times been used as an adjunct to SSRI antidepressants as there is some evidence that it counteracts certain side effects of those drugs, such as reduced libido and anorgasmia. It also has been suggested that it has a possible recreational use in reducing or eliminating the male refractory period, thereby allowing men to experience multiple ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, and at least two scientific studies support those speculations."
 
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Luxferro

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newbieforever2016 said:
Thanks for your comment which caused me to do some follow up research on caber. Going to place my order after posting this:

"It has at times been used as an adjunct to SSRI antidepressants as there is some evidence that it counteracts certain side effects of those drugs, such as reduced libido and anorgasmia. It also has been suggested that it has a possible recreational use in reducing or eliminating the male refractory period, thereby allowing men to experience multiple ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, and at least two scientific studies support those speculations."
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I’d STRONGLY recommend you use prami over caber for the main reason of caber’s potential cardio toxicity.

Prami does not display the potential for cardiac valve damage that caber does.

The research you linked does in fact point to a valid use of caber. Wellbutrin (an NDRI) which also increases dopamine release somewhat is used in patients with SSRI-induced sexual dysfunction to alleviate sexual side effects as well.

The issue is that ADHD meds aren’t SSRI’s. They’re also dopaminergic drugs. Stacking multiple dopaminergic drugs can potentially lead to bad outcomes.
 
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