How long for orals to increase strength?

[Deadlift_heavy]

I was supposed to max on bench yesterday but I failed a weight I’ve previously done for 2 reps. Bench was the first exercise and after failing I didn’t do another set and went home. I’m wondering if I take some halo will it give me a boost in just one day? I’m already taking 500mg test and just increased on Monday 50mg test ace ed

 

[system]

It won’t matter because if you need halo to hit a certain weight, you won’t be hitting it without halo in the equation. It won’t be a 1RM you can base your next training block off of. What benefits are you looking to attain by hitting a new gym 1RM on halo? I just can’t see any reason why it would make sense to do unless you’re talking about using it for a meet.

If you’re failing weight you have hit prior it is likely more of an issue with your fatigue/recovery (aka training approach) than it is the drugs you are taking.

 

[Deadlift_heavy]

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It won’t matter because if you need halo to hit a certain weight, you won’t be hitting it without halo in the equation. It won’t be a 1RM you can base your next training block off of. What benefits are you looking to attain by hitting a new gym 1RM on halo? I just can’t see any reason why it would make sense to do unless you’re talking about using it for a meet.

If you’re failing weight you have hit prior it is likely more of an issue with your fatigue/recovery (aka training approach) than it is the drugs you are taking.

I’m fatigued right now after a heavy 8 week training cycle, started taking test at the very beginning. I figure if I can hit a pr while fatigued when I’m fresh and rested, ill be able to do more if I take halo that time as well. I’m not going to take it every day, more of a pre workout, haven’t used before just want to see if it hits quick

 

[MattyIce]

Reevaluate your programming

 

[Crime_Dawg]

Take a deload week, come back and hit it hard man. Relying on drugs to hit a new PR is just stupid.

 

[Animutiddies]

So you had one bad day and think you need to jump on shit that should be reserved for the elite level competitors in comp? OP, wtf. You didn’t even finish your session so that alone tells me a lot about your dedication to strength training. If you’re aiming to actually compete, you need to be on programming that is efficient enough that you are almost literally unable to fail the set/rep scheme at the given weights due to proper fatigue management and periodization. The ONLY time we see guys miss lifts in my gym is during a mock meet/planned overload or actually on the platform. Dial your weights back in your program by 5% (Math it up, round DOWN it is seriously better) and work from there. Drugs will not make or break your plateau especially when you lack the drive to push yourself after a missed attempt.

 

[nlite2k]

My personal experiences affirm what everybody’s saying. I was on a long (20 week) blast where I did no deloading and decided to take Mtren at the tail end to hit strength goals that I had made for the cycle. 30 days, got the “tren look” etc but my strength didn’t really move up much. Took a full week off of the gym after the mtren and my strength is climbing again just on a cruise dose of test.

TLDR; even the strongest orals won’t reverse CNS fatigue/overaggressive programming IME

 

[cmryan]

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TLDR; even the strongest orals won’t reverse CNS fatigue/overaggressive programming IME

+1 I’ve found they can power you through workouts when you might be sleep deprived (I work a job with sometimes unpredictable hours) but you won’t be hitting pr’s those days.

 

[Deadlift_heavy]

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So you had one bad day and think you need to jump on shit that should be reserved for the elite level competitors in comp? OP, wtf. You didn’t even finish your session so that alone tells me a lot about your dedication to strength training. If you’re aiming to actually compete, you need to be on programming that is efficient enough that you are almost literally unable to fail the set/rep scheme at the given weights due to proper fatigue management and periodization. The ONLY time we see guys miss lifts in my gym is during a mock meet/planned overload or actually on the platform. Dial your weights back in your program by 5% (Math it up, round DOWN it is seriously better) and work from there. Drugs will not make or break your plateau especially when you lack the drive to push yourself after a missed attempt.

It was a maxout day on the 9th week of a 10 week program. My bench is my weakest lift the weight I was attempting was 405 which I’ve done before my body weight is 245. Intl Elite level in uspa 242 is mid 400s I believe, so not too far, I’m 23 years old, this is my 3rd cycle. I thought I could try again the next day because 365 paused flew so easy I would usually go 385 then 405 but I wanted around 415-425 paused. I hit the safeties the first attempt, couldn’t recover. Second try I couldn’t lock it out, thought if I tried again with a little boost I could complete it lol I’m new to powerlifting and also gear as you can see. It’s def a learning process.

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My personal experiences affirm what everybody’s saying. I was on a long (20 week) blast where I did no deloading and decided to take Mtren at the tail end to hit strength goals that I had made for the cycle. 30 days, got the “tren look” etc but my strength didn’t really move up much. Took a full week off of the gym after the mtren and my strength is climbing again just on a cruise dose of test.

TLDR; even the strongest orals won’t reverse CNS fatigue/overaggressive programming IME

Yeah I’m gonna do a deload this week. I’m following a peaking program which didn’t include real deloads every 4th week which is what I’m used to. Instead it’s heavy one week, light for max reps the next, at least for the bench portion

 

[TheHulk]

Don’t worry so much about one bad day. You NEED to accumulate fatigue to get stronger. Take a pivot week if needed and get smarter with your programming and you’ll see the orals shine once that is in check