HGH timing / Blood sugar

[LightningLeg]

My last cycle I was taking 2iu gh post workout. I’ve recently heard this was bad because it gives you high blood sugar if you eat right next to a gh shot. I would check mine in the morning and it was always perfectly fine, but I never thought to check in the evening after my workout/gh/fuckload of food. Anyone have any insight ? Is this bullshit or dose dependent? should I change the timing in the future? I thought AM fasted would give you more fat loss than muscle growth. Plus I eat not long after even if I take it before fasted cardio.

I’m willing to run an experiment and so what I did previously and just check my blood sugar in the evening, but I figured if anyone has experience or insight, I’d love to hear it.

 

[tejascardinal]

This is what I’ve learned to be true -

Anytime you’re using 3IU’s or less, it should be done fasted for fat loss purposes.

Anytime you’re using 4IU’s plus it should be split up depending on the dose for growth purposes. I.E I do 3IU’s pre meal 2 and 3IU’s post workout.

Now this is my personal opinion and what I’ve found works best for myself and my clients and some may disagree.

 

[LightningLeg]

@tejascardinal Thanks for chiming in with the wisdom! when you take 3iu before a meal does your blood sugar go way high after eating (assuming no insulin involved) ?

 

[tejascardinal]

LightningLeg said:

@tejascardinal Thanks for chiming in with the wisdom! when you take 3iu before a meal does your blood sugar go way high after eating (assuming no insulin involved) ?

Your blood sugar will increase/decrease anytime you eat. The range it increases/returns to normal depends entirely on your insulin sensitivity and how well your body responds to the nutrients its receiving.

Insulin sensitivity and aggravated insulin resistance is a detailed topic that I’m not skilled enough to explain thoroughly. I’m still learning. I will say this, I like to refer Diabetic/normal - fasted, pre/post meal blood sugar levels for reference.

https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/managing/manage-blood-sugar.html

Everyone responds differently to everything but luckily there is a lot of data on what is normal and what isn’t. For me, Fasted blood glucose should be less than 100, preferably closer to 90. Post meal never go above 200, preferably around 130-140 but lower is better and it should never go below 50 (hypoglycemia).

There are a plethora of tools to control these variables like Fasting, Cardio increase, carb reduction, insulin-mimetic agents, and exogenous insulin. Tread lightly with the ladder. The discussion shouldn’t be about how we can use these things to force nutrients into the muscle but instead how we can take the stress off our pancreas.

 

[purplepandaRep]

Take it from someone who’s 300+ pounds….

HGH can be taken anytime of day, before/after or even during a meal. Don’t worry about timing or splitting up dosages.

It’s a bit ridiculous to think timing means anything when it comes to our bodies. Everyone is different when it comes to metabolizing hormones, food.

 

[Cpizzle11]

@purplepandaRep Do you use insulin with your GH?

 

[purplepandaRep]

Cpizzle11 said:

@purplepandarep Do you use insulin with your GH?

Currently stocking up on insulin yes… 300iu pens of humalog I get for $25 a pen. Just need to buy more pins that go with the pen.

I’m looking to do 10iu’s of Slin pre workout and possibly 10iu’s post workout.

I also get 300iu pens of lantus for $25 a pop too. Which is pretty good. Helps to know old people with diabetes…. You wouldn’t believe how many old people just horde pens because Medicare or insurance pays for everything.

 

[purplepandaRep]

@Cpizzle11 you won’t need slin with the dosages you run. I mean if I was to run GH and Gear I would run moderate dosages to make it worth my while to be “on”.

6-8 iu’s of HGH especially generics is not a lot and certainly won’t hurt you.

 

[Cpizzle11]

@purplepandaRep I use Humatrope and Humalog. Can I Wickr you since this is getting away from the OP question?

 

[system]

@purplepandaRep
I’m on 2iu of Hgh. From Azteca. I’m worried going to 6-8iu for the amount of time I wanted to run 2iu (6-9 months) will give me gh gut. I know it usually takes years of high dosage usage. But I don’t wanna slip up and have it, I want to do classic physique so I need to vacuum…

You think 2iu is doing much of anything as far as tissue growth?

 

[Astrartes]

Test your GH levels per protocol, and keep at max normal or barely over range. You will be fine. 2 IU for most generic will put you there. (Vets please correct me if wrong)

 

[LightningLeg]

@nswole1 I’m no expert, but I really really think the gut is from insulin. I know some of the classic pros say they’ve had their organs scanned and all normal size. I really think it’s visceral fat that stores from crazy carbs and insulin that’s near impossible to lose without losing all your muscle. But again I’ve never even used insulin nor am I even vetted in anabolics so this is just my opinion.

 

[system]

Astrartes said:

Test your GH levels per protocol, and keep at max normal or barely over range. You will be fine. 2 IU for most generic will put you there. (Vets please correct me if wrong)

Thank you

 

[system]

@LightningLeg thank you

 

[purplepandaRep]

NSwole1 said:

@purplepandarep
I’m on 2iu of Hgh. From Azteca. I’m worried going to 6-8iu for the amount of time I wanted to run 2iu (6-9 months) will give me gh gut. I know it usually takes years of high dosage usage. But I don’t wanna slip up and have it, I want to do classic physique so I need to vacuum…

You think 2iu is doing much of anything as far as tissue growth?

Bro, most guys I know who are NPC and IFBB do not stay on GH all year. No one has that kind of money and these guys aren’t making enough to pin themselves everyday. No sane person wants to be a pin cushion everyday.

Basically how this is all done is, you either blast and cruise or do cycles and go off…. Guys blast AAS/GH and cruise on test only.

This whole take on GH all year or stay on to see results is just a ploy or an excuse from years ago when there was so much fake GH going around and nobody understood how to get anything out of it because it was fake.

Now, we know because we have tested. Started with Platinum Direct testing every batch of Blacks, Grey tops he bought at whole sale prices from TP (The Provider) and selling them domestic before he got popped. And then testing took off at Meso… which practically set a standard for testing.

With that being said, Blast GH makes more sense because your putting exogenous hormones into your body at dosages 2-10 times more than what your body is making. Therefore growth at the androgen receptors will take precedence over anything else because you’re in the gym pounding weights and ruining your body for which your body needs to compensate and repair itself (grow bigger)

The longer you stay on anything, the more side effects take effect because those hormones spread to other sites after the androgen receptors in your muscles are saturated.

Staying on GH at 6-8 iu’s or more per day for 8-12 weeks won’t cause a GH gut and you’ll most likely see the results you want depending on the purity of your GH. Coupled with Anabolics, which are obviously synergistic with GH. Your “gains” will be the area you want because your basically hitting it and quitting it before you go over that threshold.

Personally 2iu’s won’t do anything. If HIV/AIDS patients are injecting a full 18ius of Serostim everyday and that’s pharmaceutical GH. 2ius of generics feels like your wasting your money and you work hard for your money so make what you buy and what you do worth your time and money.

That’s how I feel about it.

 

[Cpizzle11]

@purplepandaRep You mentioned using insulin pre and possibly post workout. I’m interested in doing this as well. You said you’re using Humalog slin. When you pin your post w/o slin will you wait the 3 to 4 hrs for the 1st dose to clear or how does that work? I’ve heard you don’t want to overlap the 2.

 

[purplepandaRep]

@Cpizzle11 sorry bro for some reason the user interface won’t let me click reply or quote your comment.

Currently I am using 10 iu’s of humalog pre workout on workout days only. Soon I’ll bump this to pre and post. Meaning with my meal I will have 2 hours after my workout and post workout shake. No need to take a post workout shake but I got so much whey protein that’s going to expire…. And my supermarket sells honey buns for $2 a pack of 6 so lol….

As for lantus I haven’t done it yet but got a few 300iu pens I’m sitting on. Might run that at 50ui’s in the morning and go from there.

 

[Cpizzle11]

@purplepandaRep what would a day of this look like for you?
For example:
7:00am HGH
7:30am. 10 units of Humalog.
Sip on 70 grams of dextrose.
1st meal post workout 90 grams carbs + 60 grams protein
90 mins later another meal.
No fat for 3 to 4 hrs.

What are you eating and are you saying you’re gonna take post slin at this 90 min meal?

Thank you for your time brother!

 

[HeftyLefty]

purplepandaRep said:

NSwole1 said:

@purplepandarep
I’m on 2iu of Hgh. From Azteca. I’m worried going to 6-8iu for the amount of time I wanted to run 2iu (6-9 months) will give me gh gut. I know it usually takes years of high dosage usage. But I don’t wanna slip up and have it, I want to do classic physique so I need to vacuum…

You think 2iu is doing much of anything as far as tissue growth?

Bro, most guys I know who are NPC and IFBB do not stay on GH all year. No one has that kind of money and these guys aren’t making enough to pin themselves everyday. No sane person wants to be a pin cushion everyday.

Basically how this is all done is, you either blast and cruise or do cycles and go off…. Guys blast AAS/GH and cruise on test only.

This whole take on GH all year or stay on to see results is just a ploy or an excuse from years ago when there was so much fake GH going around and nobody understood how to get anything out of it because it was fake.

Now, we know because we have tested. Started with Platinum Direct testing every batch of Blacks, Grey tops he bought at whole sale prices from TP (The Provider) and selling them domestic before he got popped. And then testing took off at Meso… which practically set a standard for testing.

With that being said, Blast GH makes more sense because your putting exogenous hormones into your body at dosages 2-10 times more than what your body is making. Therefore growth at the androgen receptors will take precedence over anything else because you’re in the gym pounding weights and ruining your body for which your body needs to compensate and repair itself (grow bigger)

The longer you stay on anything, the more side effects take effect because those hormones spread to other sites after the androgen receptors in your muscles are saturated.

Staying on GH at 6-8 iu’s or more per day for 8-12 weeks won’t cause a GH gut and you’ll most likely see the results you want depending on the purity of your GH. Coupled with Anabolics, which are obviously synergistic with GH. Your “gains” will be the area you want because your basically hitting it and quitting it before you go over that threshold.

Personally 2iu’s won’t do anything. If HIV/AIDS patients are injecting a full 18ius of Serostim everyday and that’s pharmaceutical GH. 2ius of generics feels like your wasting your money and you work hard for your money so make what you buy and what you do worth your time and money.

That’s how I feel about it.

So your telling him that he needs 6-8iu of black tops a day to see results? (Gains)

 

[Cpizzle11]

He said, in his opinion; 2ius of generics “black tops” won’t do anything.
6-8 iu’s or more per day for 8-12 weeks won’t cause a GH gut.

I agree with him. You’d get way more outta running Tren alone.