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Hcg + T, high E2

AHomie

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I’m trying to get my plans together and wanted input on what approach to take if my E2 comes in high.

Planning on starting with
hcg 250 IU EOD
Test c 100mg E3.5D

If my E2 comes in high should I lower the hcg down based on how high the E2 is?

I know the goal is to avoid an AI so is my only option to lower the hcg? Will the hcg still be effective if I end up needing to lower to ~500 IU a week? At that point do I just run the AI and move back to 1000 IU a week?
 

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Why is the goal to avoid an AI?

What's more important to you: maintaining fertility, or avoiding the use of additional ancillaries?

IMO 250 EOD is a good level. I was 2 weeks into a 400 mg blast up from my TRT dose of 180 mg per week with 200 IU ED and my total T was 3100 with an E2 of 112. It was not good lol. I dialed by T dose back down to 180 mg and do 300 IU EOD now. I use 12.5 mg aromasin 1-2x per week depending on symptoms.

The crazy thing about high E2 is that it can be very difficult to subjectively determine. Even with an E2 of 112, I didn't have any nipple sensitivity or elevated BP (BP was 109/66). My only symptoms were 1) Moon face, 2) Lethargy, 3)Insomnia and 4) Irritability. That being said, low E2 also gives me insomnia but my face looks very lean.

Even if you took 25 mg aromasin everyday, the maximum you could lower your E2 is 65% (as confirmed in studies on women under this treatment regimen).
 

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Most important to me would be maintaining fertility. Thank you for encouraging me to look at it from this perspective. I will be running blood tests 4-6 weeks in with ultra-sensitive E2 so I will definitely know exactly where I am at. Then I plan to run them again once dialing in my AI / however I was going to get my E2 under control and continuing to run them until I have everything perfected. I guess I really have no reasoning behind avoiding AIs aside from just what I've read around here but then again a lot of people also don't use HCG so we may have very different goals/risk taking.
 

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Avoiding arimidex is understandable because it can directly lower your HDL through mechanisms besides lowering your E2. I'm also totally against letrozole because it is WAY too easy to crash your E2 with that shit.
 

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Avoiding arimidex is understandable because it can directly lower your HDL through mechanisms besides lowering your E2. I'm also totally against letrozole because it is WAY too easy to crash your E2 with that shit.
Something that just came to mind when I go to run my tests, does it matter if the blood work day ends up being like one day after the last injection verses 2 days ect? Also when/if needed I start dialing in my AI should the last time I took the AI be a specific amount of time before the test?
 

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My E2 is high, but I feel great. No gyno. No problems. Never taken an AI.
I do take DIM every morning. It’s natural and seems to help?
A number is one thing, but you should really base “too high” by how your body responds. You may show high numbers but if you don’t have nipple pain or swelling- I wouldn’t sweat it personally.
 

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My E2 is high, but I feel great. No gyno. No problems. Never taken an AI.
I do take DIM every morning. It’s natural and seems to help?
A number is one thing, but you should really base “too high” by how your body responds. You may show high numbers but if you don’t have nipple pain or swelling- I wouldn’t sweat it personally.
I want to keep my estrogen levels within normal range. I understand it may feel okay but I want to be as safe as possible. I don’t even think I’ll be taking my test levels over 3000
 

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Something that just came to mind when I go to run my tests, does it matter if the blood work day ends up being like one day after the last injection verses 2 days ect? Also when/if needed I start dialing in my AI should the last time I took the AI be a specific amount of time before the test?
Still wondering about this..
 
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