Estrogen

[Macro]

Does any source offer estrogen here?

Thank you.

 

[Aheio]

May I ask why you want estrogen? Or what you’re looking to achieve with it?

 

[Macro]

May I ask why you want estrogen? Or what you’re looking to achieve with it?

It's a weird concept I'm chewing on, I'll try to explain neatly.

Considering this sort of cycle (numbers are mad up, just for the concept)

Test 200, deca 300, eq 300, primo 300, and some estrogen, to be determined

Why?

Collagen synthesis.

Deca, eq, and primo all increase collagen synthesis. Eq and primo either mask the sides of estrogen, or has metabolites with AI properties. The estrogen is there to off set the effects primo and eq have

Theoretically, this sort of cycle will make it less likely to get a tendon or ligament injury, as the increased collagen synthesis will, again, theoretically, make it so that the tendons and ligaments can better keep up with the added musculature.

 

[Aheio]

It's a weird concept I'm chewing on, I'll try to explain neatly.

Considering this sort of cycle (numbers are mad up, just for the concept)

Test 200, deca 300, eq 300, primo 300, and some estrogen, to be determined

Why?

Collagen synthesis.

Deca, eq, and primo all increase collagen synthesis. Eq and primo either mask the sides of estrogen, or has metabolites with AI properties. The estrogen is there to off set the effects primo and eq have

Theoretically, this sort of cycle will make it less likely to get a tendon or ligament injury, as the increased collagen synthesis will, again, theoretically, make it so that the tendons and ligaments can better keep up with the added musculature.

I understand your point, and honestly, increasing the test to 500 would likely achieve the same effect. Since you're already experiencing some conversion, adding more exogenous estrogen might not be beneficial. Additionally, there's a higher likelihood of experiencing side effects from estrogen, and controlling them could be challenging due to differences in absorption compared to testosterone conversion, which can be easily managed with a SERM or AI. Also NPP and Deca do have good properties that help joints and ligaments. But Im not an expert in that topic.

 

[Macro]

I understand your point, and honestly, increasing the test to 500 would likely achieve the same effect. Since you're already experiencing some conversion, adding more exogenous estrogen might not be beneficial. Additionally, there's a higher likelihood of experiencing side effects from estrogen, and controlling them could be challenging due to differences in absorption compared to testosterone conversion, which can be easily managed with a SERM or AI. Also NPP and Deca do have good properties that help joints and ligaments. But Im not an expert in that topic.

Only negative with test above 200, according to what I have read, is that it slows collagen production at that amount or so. So it would be a bit of two steps forward, one back

 

[Aheio]

Only negative with test above 200, according to what I have read, is that it slows collagen production at that amount or so. So it would be a bit of two steps forward, one back

Is there a reason why you’re super worried about collagen levels? You can probably just counter that with a high quality collagen supplement or peptide.

 

[Macro]

Is there a reason why you’re super worried about collagen levels? You can probably just counter that with a high quality collagen supplement or peptide.

Mostly just to try something out. I haven't
Dived into it, but I don't think collagen supplements can really help like say a drug like anavar can, which has lots of studies on it's effects on healing.

Theoretically, it would prevent injury and decrease recovery time. Mostly just curious, as we didn't get to the moon by accepting the status quo.

 

[BINGBONG]

It's a weird concept I'm chewing on, I'll try to explain neatly.

Considering this sort of cycle (numbers are mad up, just for the concept)

Test 200, deca 300, eq 300, primo 300, and some estrogen, to be determined

Why?

Collagen synthesis.

Deca, eq, and primo all increase collagen synthesis. Eq and primo either mask the sides of estrogen, or has metabolites with AI properties. The estrogen is there to off set the effects primo and eq have

Theoretically, this sort of cycle will make it less likely to get a tendon or ligament injury, as the increased collagen synthesis will, again, theoretically, make it so that the tendons and ligaments can better keep up with the added musculature.

I'm going to be honest with u, this is the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life. I didn't even want to comment to rip u apart, but u need it.

Go to ur doctor and tell them ud like to become trans to get ur estrogen, cuz thats literally what ur about to do to urself.

If ur taking gear for collagen synthesis, u need to reconsider ur objective. Sure it may be an ADDED benefit of deca but theres peptides, growth hormone, and over the counter supplements to read into for this that wont fuck up ur brain and body and turn u into a fucking bitch.

This is SUCH a bad idea unless ur trying to become a girl.


Good luck on ur transitioning! Send us titty pics when they start to grow.

 

[Aheio]

Mostly just to try something out. I haven't
Dived into it, but I don't think collagen supplements can really help like say a drug like anavar can, which has lots of studies on it's effects on healing.

Theoretically, it would prevent injury and decrease recovery time. Mostly just curious, as we didn't get to the moon by accepting the status quo.

I mean yea I get experimenting but I feel like you would get a shit tone of side effects like water retention, mental health, gyno and might have some libido issues. I don’t think you’ll be getting so much strength that right of the bat that youll be having to worry about tearing a tendon. That comes more from continuous movement tension and atrophy in the muscle/ligaments. And if that was the case you just have to be self aware and learn how to properly structure your prioritization so your not putting weight on your body is not use to moving. Theres plenty of people out there that are running >200 test that aren’t tearing muscles. And as far as recovery goes just make sure you’re eating enough and taking rest when needed.

 

[phildunphy2]

Does any source offer estrogen here?

Thank you.

Instead of estrogen you could use some hcg, it increases your estrogen levels and it increases your test levels a bit too.

 

[Ateam2024]

Show us your titties when you're done with that idea

 

[ThinBulk]

As someone worried about tendon injuries from things outside lifting, I also think this is a terrible idea. If you want to cycle, and still build tendon/ligament strength, my recommendation would be a low test/eq, or test/primo. Stack that with an hgh kit, and bpc-157. These are both proven to do what you want from studies, and no need for a sports bra.

Alternatively I think you could do whatever you want, then run hgh and bpc-157 while off cycle to get tendons back on track. Remember no matter what you're on, tendons are going to strengthen WAY slower than muscles.