Cycle / stack suggestions

[ValleyStacked]

Back ground information : 30yr old male , 6’2 , 277lbs , 21% Body fat content

In February 2024 I was seen by my primary care . I was diagnosed with diabetes, hypertension, anxiety disorder and a list of things . I relate this to 15 years of alcohol and recreation drug use including a lifestyle of no accountability or an emphasis on personal health . To say the least this was a shock to myself and i refused to get on diabetic medication so I sobered up , got in the gym 5x a week , have been on a caloric deficit diet .

February appt summary : Diabetic, Hypertensive , libido issues , low testosterone (256ng/dl) . 318lbs , 6’2 , 34.6% Body fat content .

Dr was unwilling to start trt , so I made the above lifestyle changes . Fast forward to September 2024 - Diabetic bloodwork improvement , 308lbs (-10lb ) , 32% Body fat content, small libido improvement , small amounts of changes with energy and focus .

I elected on my own to get on TRT in September 2024 after the above appointment due to disappointment and a feeling of lack of improvement.

Starting dose : 150mg wk / No AI . Took this dose for 8 weeks and took bloodwork . Bloodwork came back perfect .

Increased dose to 200mg a week until late December 2024

After being on TRT I lost an additional 16lbs , depression non existent, libido is that of a lion who owns the whole sahara , strength and recovery is indescribable. Overall Testosterone has been a game changer.

In December I decided to add Primobolan too my protocol : 250mg week Test / 100mg primo . I ran this until mid January and didn’t notice much difference. I’ve increased test to 400mg wk / primobolan to 300mg wk on the advice of an experienced bodybuilder I know .

As of February 2025 I’m currently 277lbs (-40lb in 52 weeks ) , 21% Body fat content ( - 13% in 52 weeks) , diabetes is non existent, blood pressure is perfect. “ That of an athlete my dr says “ . Overall I feel like a new person, everyone has noticed it and I can’t describe how good I feel . I’ve accomplished what I wanted , which was overall health improvement and to not be on diabetic meds. After seeing what I’m capable of , I’d like to take this a step further and try to get down to 10-15% Body fat and want suggestions on what you experienced guys may think might help out in achieving this .

In 4 weeks I will begin PCT ( Clomid / HCG )
*HCG was taken through TRT . Once semen analysis comes back good , bloodwork reflects natural Testosterone/ LH & FSH production id like to get back on a stack , focusing on losing body fat content and maintaining muscle mass.

I understand majority of this is done in the kitchen and the gym , but I’d like some suggestions on what I could incorporate to potentially get down to 10-15% BFC .

Things to consider: I inject 3x a week for a total weekly dose of 400mg test & 300 mg primobolan. This dose is taken IM .

I now take an AI (arimidex) .5mg EOD (1.5mg week)

I’ve done minor research on t3 and I’m not sure if want to risk thyroid suppression. Please give any insight into this .

I’ve more been leaning toward a winstrol / clen additional but wanted someone’s opinion.

Thanks in advance SST

 

[Sector]

It seems you're trending in the right direction, but I think there's a few inconsistencies we need to clear up before you can get actually sound advice

1) You said you had low testosterone of 256 ng/dl before ever hopping on cycle and that testosterone has basically changed your life and you're making great progress-- so why on earth are you planning on doing PCT!?? Especially if your bloodwork is perfect like you said. Why not just continue at 200-300mg test/week? This makes absolutely no sense. If you're test was low before cycling, it's probably going to be low after cycling + pct (maybe not initially but it'll fall off very quickly again). You're just going to put yourself through a hormonal rollercoaster and regress and lose progress, just to most likely hop back on cycle again (or "TRT") anyways.

2) You said you were diagnosed as diabetic, but refused to take diabetes medication, and now you're not diabetic? So were you pre-diabetic initially, type 2 diabetic, or type 1 diabetic? What was your A1c at on the bloodwork during the periods you had it tested? Do you test your fasted blood glucose? if so, what's your fasted blood glucose readings coming in at? You've never taken metformin, insulin, berberine or a GLP-1 after your diabetes diagnosis and now you're suddenly not diabetic? this part doesn't really add up

3) you don't need T3, or winstrol, or even clen. Continue running your test and primo dose until you hit 10% bodyfat, then you can start to plan other things. test and primo at the dosages you're taking should be enough to prevent most muscle loss, and even if you did lose a little it'll come back when you start your bulk (after you hit 10% bf) thanks to muscle memory. If you feel the overwhelming need to add anything, it should be tirzepatide, especially with your diabetes to non diabetes or whatever diagnosis and weight loss goals

4) you're on the right path. Just keep doing what you're doing. Don't start doing crazy shifts with the plan like pct, then cycling again, then adding t3 and winstrol and blah blah. Keep the variables consistent. Keep doing what you're doing, get down to 10% then re-assess your plan. Weight loss is a time and consistency game, and you still have a ways to go if you're 20% bf+. Up the cardio, taper down the carbs, and give it another 6 months and you should be pretty close at that point.

 

[ValleyStacked]

It seems you're trending in the right direction, but I think there's a few inconsistencies we need to clear up before you can get actually sound advice

1) You said you had low testosterone of 256 ng/dl before ever hopping on cycle and that testosterone has basically changed your life and you're making great progress-- so why on earth are you planning on doing PCT!?? Especially if your bloodwork is perfect like you said. Why not just continue at 200-300mg test/week? This makes absolutely no sense. If you're test was low before cycling, it's probably going to be low after cycling + pct (maybe not initially but it'll fall off very quickly again). You're just going to put yourself through a hormonal rollercoaster and regress and lose progress, just to most likely hop back on cycle again (or "TRT") anyways.

2) You said you were diagnosed as diabetic, but refused to take diabetes medication, and now you're not diabetic? So were you pre-diabetic initially, type 2 diabetic, or type 1 diabetic? What was your A1c at on the bloodwork during the periods you had it tested? Do you test your fasted blood glucose? if so, what's your fasted blood glucose readings coming in at? You've never taken metformin, insulin, berberine or a GLP-1 after your diabetes diagnosis and now you're suddenly not diabetic? this part doesn't really add up

3) you don't need T3, or winstrol, or even clen. Continue running your test and primo dose until you hit 10% bodyfat, then you can start to plan other things. test and primo at the dosages you're taking should be enough to prevent most muscle loss, and even if you did lose a little it'll come back when you start your bulk (after you hit 10% bf) thanks to muscle memory. If you feel the overwhelming need to add anything, it should be tirzepatide, especially with your diabetes to non diabetes or whatever diagnosis and weight loss goals

4) you're on the right path. Just keep doing what you're doing. Don't start doing crazy shifts with the plan like pct, then cycling again, then adding t3 and winstrol and blah blah. Keep the variables consistent. Keep doing what you're doing, get down to 10% then re-assess your plan. Weight loss is a time and consistency game, and you still have a ways to go if you're 20% bf+. Up the cardio, taper down the carbs, and give it another 6 months and you should be pretty close at that point.

Hey sorry for the late reply . Was out for a week with a bad flu .

The reason for wanting to PCT is because I know I was fertile before and my fertility has totally been depleted since being on high doses of testosterone obviously . My intention is just to restart my system and make sure I’m capable of bringing my fertility back , if so I plan on attempting to conceive / bank sperm . I’m also curious that after losing all this weight and body fat if possible that baseline may have or can improve . To be clear I plan on being on trt for the remainder of my life with the focus of maintaining/ preserving fertility .

I was diagnosed as type 2 pre diabetic after 2 tests over a period of a year coming in at 6.4% and 5.9% . I have a family history additionally . I took Tirzepatide for 3 months and didn’t like how I basically couldn’t eat so I stopped . I haven’t been on any GLP for months and blood work came back at 4.7% most recently .


With all this being notated, what do you think is my best course . Additionally what is your opinion on the best PCT regiment including your opinion on HMG included.

 

[Sector]

I’ll still say maybe try try then just add hcg and hmg and see if you can get her pregnant that way. A lot of people have had kids on cycle with less strict protocols than rhat

If that doesn’t work
Hcg the last 6-8 weeks of cycle (including the 2 weeks of esters clearing)

Enclomiphene/nolvadex for 8 weeks after esters clear

I don’t know what dose people use for Enclomiphene but when I did it with clomid it was

Clomid (mg) 50/50/50/50/100/100/100/100
Nolvadex(mg) 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

Then of course use the HMG during the SERM period. Don’t remember the dose I ran. It was a while ago

 

[dick_starbuck]

Have you had a semen analysis done?

If not, do it. Your fertility is probably fine. There is a reason why hormonal birth control for men has been abandoned: it doesn't work. Mine was fine after being on trt since I was 21, at 30, when I got a vasectomy. Most have a similar experience.

Otherwise, just keep doing what you're doing and start 2mg of tirzepatide or retatrutide a week. Increase it slowly over time and let the progress roll in.

Congratulations on the progress you've made so far.

 

[ValleyStacked]

I’ll still say maybe try try then just add hcg and hmg and see if you can get her pregnant that way. A lot of people have had kids on cycle with less strict protocols than rhat

If that doesn’t work
Hcg the last 6-8 weeks of cycle (including the 2 weeks of esters clearing)

Enclomiphene/nolvadex for 8 weeks after esters clear

I don’t know what dose people use for Enclomiphene but when I did it with clomid it was

Clomid (mg) 50/50/50/50/100/100/100/100
Nolvadex(mg) 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

Then of course use the HMG during the SERM period. Don’t remember the dose I ran. It was a while ago

I’ll still say maybe try try then just add hcg and hmg and see if you can get her pregnant that way. A lot of people have had kids on cycle with less strict protocols than rhat

If that doesn’t work
Hcg the last 6-8 weeks of cycle (including the 2 weeks of esters clearing)

Enclomiphene/nolvadex for 8 weeks after esters clear

I don’t know what dose people use for Enclomiphene but when I did it with clomid it was

Clomid (mg) 50/50/50/50/100/100/100/100
Nolvadex(mg) 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40

Then of course use the HMG during the SERM period. Don’t remember the dose I ran. It was a while ago

Okay thank you . I’ve been taking HCG a a dose of 500ui 2x a week since beginning TRT in August / Sep and continued the same sore as I increased my Testosterone dosing . What’s your take on this ? Would this dose cause down regulation ? If I stop HCG right now and continue use the last 6-8 weeks of cycle / ester , will I be good or should I just continue the HCG ?

I will source some enclomiphene and Nolvadex. HMG is easily available for me from my HCG source as well as the clomid obviously . Thank you

 

[ValleyStacked]

Have you had a semen analysis done?

If not, do it. Your fertility is probably fine. There is a reason why hormonal birth control for men has been abandoned: it doesn't work. Mine was fine after being on trt since I was 21, at 30, when I got a vasectomy. Most have a similar experience.

Otherwise, just keep doing what you're doing and start 2mg of tirzepatide or retatrutide a week. Increase it slowly over time and let the progress roll in.

Congratulations on the progress you've made so far.

Semen analysis has been completed and results came back abnormal with a totally sperm count of 300k sperm cells per ML. Very low motility and morphology.

 

[Sector]

Okay thank you . I’ve been taking HCG a a dose of 500ui 2x a week since beginning TRT in August / Sep and continued the same sore as I increased my Testosterone dosing . What’s your take on this ? Would this dose cause down regulation ? If I stop HCG right now and continue use the last 6-8 weeks of cycle / ester , will I be good or should I just continue the HCG ?

I will source some enclomiphene and Nolvadex. HMG is easily available for me from my HCG source as well as the clomid obviously . Thank you

Yeah I mean if you’re dead set on pct I’d say save it for the end/ester clearing phase

Can even run the pct longer if wanted. The longer you run it, the better the success rate. 8 weeks is just an arbitrary number thrown out as general guidance, and for the most part people recover in this period but if you want to be extra you can even run it longer then just blast the HMG and that should get your fertility right

 

[dick_starbuck]

Semen analysis has been completed and results came back abnormal with a totally sperm count of 300k sperm cells per ML. Very low motility and morphology.

I'm sorry to hear that brother.

Sectors protocol looks pretty solid, it's what I would do also if I was trying to have a child.

I totally missed that you had said you tried tirzepatide already. Have you looked into reta? Much less impact on appetite, while still controlling it.