Been on for 15 weeks. I used to pin 2xs a week now only pin 1x a week (doubledd the dose obv) since adding primo…Need some more information to make any judgements.
What are the lab ranges?
How long have you been on?
What is your injection schedule?
When were the bloods taken in relation to your last pin?
Do you know your normal numbers (any previous experience or blood work at this dose)?
5 days after pinning for blood work is a long ass time. try 2 days. Also nobody should be pinning any kind of test once a week. break it up in to AT LEAST 2 shots a week. You will feel 10x better and have less side effects. I know that the we always read about the half life of test being so long but from all the anecdotal experience out there people always report better results with more frequent injections.Ishitrainbows" pid='56045' dateline='1559786584:
Been on for 15 weeks. I used to pin 2xs a week now only pin 1x a week (doubledd the dose obv) since adding primo…Need some more information to make any judgements.
What are the lab ranges?
How long have you been on?
What is your injection schedule?
When were the bloods taken in relation to your last pin?
Do you know your normal numbers (any previous experience or blood work at this dose)?
Bloods were taken 5days after last pin
Normal test at the end of pct last time was 700
Test range 304 (250-900)
Estriadol 8 (7.6-42.6)
Lh .1 (1.7-8.6)
Fsh .6 (1.5-12.4)
I’m no expert here but when I took 150mg pharmacy grade test cyp, I was 1050 after 4 days, also once a week injection.Test 304 (normal)
LH .01 low
FSH .6 low
Estriadol 8.6 (normal)
How is this possible??
Test c 250mg a week + 200mg wk primo
No a.i
Im asking here before i throw a source out there…
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Maybe not bunk but incredibly under dosedPersonally I don’t think you have bunk test, the 0.1 LH proves that you are completely suppressed and it’s almost certainly the testosterone doing that. 250mg is also not a lot of test either, assuming you are a fast metaboliser or have super low SHBG the just over 300 after 5 days is not that surprising. For example, my trt dose of 30mg per day (210mg per week) only gets me to 700 measured 24hrs after the last pin.
My view is that you probably need double that test dose split at least into 2x per week pins
I will have to agree that i felt much better pinning 2x a week. Ill have to try to get the work done a day or 2 after and see whats going on.Rippleridgestna" pid='56064' dateline='1559800558:
5 days after pinning for blood work is a long ass time. try 2 days. Also nobody should be pinning any kind of test once a week. break it up in to AT LEAST 2 shots a week. You will feel 10x better and have less side effects. I know that the we always read about the half life of test being so long but from all the anecdotal experience out there people always report better results with more frequent injections.Ishitrainbows" pid='56045' dateline='1559786584:
Been on for 15 weeks. I used to pin 2xs a week now only pin 1x a week (doubledd the dose obv) since adding primo…Need some more information to make any judgements.
What are the lab ranges?
How long have you been on?
What is your injection schedule?
When were the bloods taken in relation to your last pin?
Do you know your normal numbers (any previous experience or blood work at this dose)?
Bloods were taken 5days after last pin
Normal test at the end of pct last time was 700
Test range 304 (250-900)
Estriadol 8 (7.6-42.6)
Lh .1 (1.7-8.6)
Fsh .6 (1.5-12.4)
I will probably up the dose, but i dont know about doubling,Personally I don’t think you have bunk test, the 0.1 LH proves that you are completely suppressed and it’s almost certainly the testosterone doing that. 250mg is also not a lot of test either, assuming you are a fast metaboliser or have super low SHBG the just over 300 after 5 days is not that surprising. For example, my trt dose of 30mg per day (210mg per week) only gets me to 700 measured 24hrs after the last pin.
My view is that you probably need double that test dose split at least into 2x per week pins
amox88" pid='56070' dateline='1559815772:
I will have to agree that i felt much better pinning 2x a week. Ill have to try to get the work done a day or 2 after and see whats going on.Rippleridgestna" pid='56064' dateline='1559800558:
5 days after pinning for blood work is a long ass time. try 2 days. Also nobody should be pinning any kind of test once a week. break it up in to AT LEAST 2 shots a week. You will feel 10x better and have less side effects. I know that the we always read about the half life of test being so long but from all the anecdotal experience out there people always report better results with more frequent injections.Ishitrainbows" pid='56045' dateline='1559786584:
Been on for 15 weeks. I used to pin 2xs a week now only pin 1x a week (doubledd the dose obv) since adding primo…Need some more information to make any judgements.
What are the lab ranges?
How long have you been on?
What is your injection schedule?
When were the bloods taken in relation to your last pin?
Do you know your normal numbers (any previous experience or blood work at this dose)?
Bloods were taken 5days after last pin
Normal test at the end of pct last time was 700
Test range 304 (250-900)
Estriadol 8 (7.6-42.6)
Lh .1 (1.7-8.6)
Fsh .6 (1.5-12.4)
Ishitrainbows" pid='56077' dateline='1559826343:
I will probably up the dose, but i dont know about doubling,Personally I don’t think you have bunk test, the 0.1 LH proves that you are completely suppressed and it’s almost certainly the testosterone doing that. 250mg is also not a lot of test either, assuming you are a fast metaboliser or have super low SHBG the just over 300 after 5 days is not that surprising. For example, my trt dose of 30mg per day (210mg per week) only gets me to 700 measured 24hrs after the last pin.
My view is that you probably need double that test dose split at least into 2x per week pins
That actually brings up a great point. I am usually a high responder and extrememly estro sensitive (gyno at 500mg a week first time) weird that my estro is in check…
The E2 test is bound E2, or totalE2 equivalent to totalT and is subject to the same influence of low SHBG. You can test freeE2 but I have hardly ever seen it.I suspect very low SHBG giving low TT but would return higher FT if tested. My only concern is the low E2 as high FT would usually correlate to high E2. The very low E2 number is hard to explain unless the testosterone is junk.
Sorry brother, I meant total E2 not FT.Ishitrainbows" pid='56094' dateline='1559831927:
The E2 test is bound E2, or totalE2 equivalent to totalT and is subject to the same influence of low SHBG. You can test freeE2 but I have hardly ever seen it.I suspect very low SHBG giving low TT but would return higher FT if tested. My only concern is the low E2 as high FT would usually correlate to high E2. The very low E2 number is hard to explain unless the testosterone is junk.
Testing 5 days out on a E7D schedule might not show high freeT.
I think that the general consensus is yes, your levels seem a little low even at 5 days out. The only mitigation to this might be that you are a hyper metaboliser. However, as E2 degradation normally lags TT reduction the low E2 also points to the product having the problem not your reaction to it.So with all this said, should test ester be keeping my levels up ? Regardless of 5 days of last pin?
Ok i appreciate the feedback so far…
I think we all agree that something with these labs does not make sense… low e2 low test etc…
I will try to pin and get a test 48 hrs from last pin to see where I am at.
1 commented mentioning conspiracy blah blah. You all read it, im not posting without a for sure answer, i would hate to put someones name out there and then get told why, so im covering all bases here.
Any other input is greatly appreciated.
Everyone responds differently for sure. 200mg pharma had me at around 800-1000I just want to chime in to say 200mg pharma cyp has never before put me above 500 (and I draw 48-72 hours after pin), only when I introduced mast did I get a higher test reading so take that for what you will. There’s dudes in the bloodwork section with fucking 10x multipliers though from multiple sources on the board. I also don’t automatize like crazy, I believe in part because I’m a lower responder and because I’m relatively lean.
I just wouldn’t be quick to think anything is necessarily wrong with your labs, because all things considered (draw/pin times and frequency) they look fairly normal. I honestly don’t even know what it would take to get me to 1k total test as I have no intention of managing e2 to find out, but that’s a personal preference for other reasons. I think the plan you have going forward to verify is solid though. Let us know.
Rippleridgestna" pid='56274' dateline='1559960005:
Ok i appreciate the feedback so far…
I think we all agree that something with these labs does not make sense… low e2 low test etc…
I will try to pin and get a test 48 hrs from last pin to see where I am at.
1 commented mentioning conspiracy blah blah. You all read it, im not posting without a for sure answer, i would hate to put someones name out there and then get told why, so im covering all bases here.
Any other input is greatly appreciated.