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At a loss here.

Anyone struggled with mood disorders being triggered by Blasting test and or tanking your E2?

I made a post a few days ago about being extremely depressed post a psychotic episode where I had tanked my E2 and for some reason thoroughly convinced myself I had contracted AIDS, had lots of the symptoms of a weakened immune system but come to find out, high doses of test weaken your immune system.

Long story short… Schitzotypal personality, anxiety, depression, ETC ETC ETC… I’ve decided that I’m stopping my cycle short at 8 weeks. I was happy with my life pre-cycle and within the last week I feel like a big boulder was dropped on my chest. /rant

I just am going to chock it up to the fact that I did’t respond well to 500mg Test E. Maybe next cycle a few years down the line I will try a short acting ester and make sure my mental state is good.
 
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If you’re experiencing anxiety and depression, your best bet is to go back to normal levels (cruise dose) to get back to feeling normal. I wouldn’t recommended coming completely off and doing a PCT due to the chance of more depression. Cruise for a little bit, get bloods, adjust if needed, then decide if you want to pct or try to reblast after a while with a lower dose and better mindset.
 
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Heavyweightmover" pid='33698' dateline='1544489862:
If you’re experiencing anxiety and depression, your best bet is to go back to normal levels (cruise dose) to get back to feeling normal. I wouldn’t recommended coming completely off and doing a PCT due to the chance of more depression. Cruise for a little bit, get bloods, adjust if needed, then decide if you want to pct or try to reblast after a while with a lower dose and better mindset.
Maybe I should taper down? I have 8ml left of 250mg test e.

Could do .75mL Monday and Thursday for a week,
go down to .50mL Monday and Thursday the next week, then do that for 1-2 weeks at 1ml a week to see if i feel better. I know thats higher than an average cruise but It’s also way higher than my normal baseline. my normal test is like 350ng/dl.

Any tips or opinions?

Also, looking at my Vials I think ive been pinning more like 3ml per week instead of 2ml… Not sure how much 700-750mg test vs 500mg test would make a difference…
 
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NeverHesitate

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This was me a few weeks ago bro. I tanked my E2 and felt like complete death. I thought to myself I rather be natty than feel like shit struggling to dial in E2 and hormone fluctuations. One part of me wants to cruise and another part of me wants to PCT and try again some time next year.
 
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NeverHesitate" pid='33702' dateline='1544492404:
This was me a few weeks ago bro. I tanked my E2 and felt like complete death. I thought to myself I rather be natty than feel like shit struggling to dial in E2 and hormone fluctuations. One part of me wants to cruise and another part of me wants to PCT and try again some time next year.
I’m glad I’m not alone here. Bad suicidal thoughts at one pouint, the next 5 days I had swollen limbs and my JOIIINTS… couldnt even move without discomfort and popping my kneed or neck.
 
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DNPstoney

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deadlift2death" pid='33701' dateline='1544492171:
Heavyweightmover" pid='33698' dateline='1544489862:
If you’re experiencing anxiety and depression, your best bet is to go back to normal levels (cruise dose) to get back to feeling normal. I wouldn’t recommended coming completely off and doing a PCT due to the chance of more depression. Cruise for a little bit, get bloods, adjust if needed, then decide if you want to pct or try to reblast after a while with a lower dose and better mindset.
Maybe I should taper down? I have 8ml left of 250mg test e.

Could do .75mL Monday and Thursday for a week,
go down to .50mL Monday and Thursday the next week, then do that for 1-2 weeks at 1ml a week to see if i feel better. I know thats higher than an average cruise but It’s also way higher than my normal baseline. my normal test is like 350ng/dl.

Any tips or opinions?

Also, looking at my Vials I think ive been pinning more like 3ml per week instead of 2ml… Not sure how much 700-750mg test vs 500mg test would make a difference…
Don’t taper, that’s retarded. Test doesn’t work like that, where if you decrease your dose a bit then your natural levels turn back on to make up for it; it is an all or none system. If you have ANY significant amount of exogenous Test in your system, you natural Test production will stay at 0. There are studies that show this.

Your reactions aren’t 100% out of the ordinary, but they aren’t extremely common either. Where you running any other substances besides Test and your AI? Which AI where you running? When did you start your AI? Did you get bloods to show that your E2 was low, or were you just assuming? Basically, did you do something retarded to your hormones or did you follow proper protocol?

IMO, cruise for a bit. Which means drop down to 100-159mg/week of Test E/C and either no AI or a VERY small amount of AI. Wait 5-6 weeks and get blood tests done to confirm where you are at. Reevaluate and make a decision as to whether you want to PCT then.

Don’t fuck with you hormones if you don’t know what you are doing. There can be a lot of consequences if you do it wrong.
 
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dianabolman

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Lmao I’m dying funny enough I dropped Like 20lbs and can’t seem to gain weight back and I’m also under the impression that I havs AIDS. Hormones are fucking crazy but it’s a part of the game and yeah a lot is trial and error but keep us updated
 
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DNPstoney" pid='33706' dateline='1544493945:
deadlift2death" pid='33701' dateline='1544492171:
Heavyweightmover" pid='33698' dateline='1544489862:
If you’re experiencing anxiety and depression, your best bet is to go back to normal levels (cruise dose) to get back to feeling normal. I wouldn’t recommended coming completely off and doing a PCT due to the chance of more depression. Cruise for a little bit, get bloods, adjust if needed, then decide if you want to pct or try to reblast after a while with a lower dose and better mindset.
Maybe I should taper down? I have 8ml left of 250mg test e.

Could do .75mL Monday and Thursday for a week,
go down to .50mL Monday and Thursday the next week, then do that for 1-2 weeks at 1ml a week to see if i feel better. I know thats higher than an average cruise but It’s also way higher than my normal baseline. my normal test is like 350ng/dl.

Any tips or opinions?

Also, looking at my Vials I think ive been pinning more like 3ml per week instead of 2ml… Not sure how much 700-750mg test vs 500mg test would make a difference…
Don’t taper, that’s retarded. Test doesn’t work like that, where if you decrease your dose a bit then your natural levels turn back on to make up for it; it is an all or none system. If you have ANY significant amount of exogenous Test in your system, you natural Test production will stay at 0. There are studies that show this.

Your reactions aren’t 100% out of the ordinary, but they aren’t extremely common either. Where you running any other substances besides Test and your AI? Which AI where you running? When did you start your AI? Did you get bloods to show that your E2 was low, or were you just assuming? Basically, did you do something retarded to your hormones or did you follow proper protocol?

IMO, cruise for a bit. Which means drop down to 100-159mg/week of Test E/C and either no AI or a VERY small amount of AI. Wait 5-6 weeks and get blood tests done to confirm where you are at. Reevaluate and make a decision as to whether you want to PCT then.

Don’t fuck with you hormones if you don’t know what you are doing. There can be a lot of consequences if you do it wrong.
I understand how the exogenous part of it works. I felt as if I followed protocol and didn’t do anything out of the norm. Ran 1 week of DBol but dropped it due to bloating and BP.

I was assuming my E2 was low, mainly because I had been taking AI, felt like shit, and couldn’t move without my knees and other joints feeling like rusty hinges.

Do you suggest 0.25mL twice per week, or 0.5mL once a week for cruising?


dianabolman" pid='33713' dateline='1544497997:
Lmao I’m dying funny enough I dropped Like 20lbs and can’t seem to gain weight back and I’m also under the impression that I havs AIDS. Hormones are fucking crazy but it’s a part of the game and yeah a lot is trial and error but keep us updated
Don’t worry man. Are you on cycle? If you are, that coupled with the shit your taking will do it just as good too. I got sick twice this month.

“Associations between male testosterone and immune function in a pathogenically stressed forager-horticultural population”: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075254/

“In men, high testosterone can mean weakened immune response, study finds”: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ean-weakened-immune-response-study-finds.html
 
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S

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Using drugs that cause large hormone fluctuations such as dbol are a recipe for trouble among individuals with mental health related issues. Even with the most basic of drugs in testosterone you’ll want to be getting blood work done to find the accurate AI protocol for you as an individual. Going based off of sides or ‘feelings’ is not the way to go when you are susceptible to mania. Don’t dive head first into this, take it slow, with one drug, and at a low-moderate dose (think 3-400 mg test for 12-16 weeks, something like 125mg 3x/wk.). Get bloods done multiple times throughout your run and keep your AI protocol stable between those labs. Adjust based on the results of the bloods and not again until your next set. Determine if changes need to be made again and repeat the process until you’ve dialed in your dose/frequency of AI for that specific dose/frequency of testosterone. It’s pricey, tedious and time consuming, but for somebody on your spectrum of instability (no disrespect intended, I’m in the same boat) it’s truly necessary for the best possible quality of life.
 

DNPstoney

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deadlift2death" pid='33743' dateline='1544521386:
DNPstoney" pid='33706' dateline='1544493945:
deadlift2death" pid='33701' dateline='1544492171:
Heavyweightmover" pid='33698' dateline='1544489862:
If you’re experiencing anxiety and depression, your best bet is to go back to normal levels (cruise dose) to get back to feeling normal. I wouldn’t recommended coming completely off and doing a PCT due to the chance of more depression. Cruise for a little bit, get bloods, adjust if needed, then decide if you want to pct or try to reblast after a while with a lower dose and better mindset.
Maybe I should taper down? I have 8ml left of 250mg test e.

Could do .75mL Monday and Thursday for a week,
go down to .50mL Monday and Thursday the next week, then do that for 1-2 weeks at 1ml a week to see if i feel better. I know thats higher than an average cruise but It’s also way higher than my normal baseline. my normal test is like 350ng/dl.

Any tips or opinions?

Also, looking at my Vials I think ive been pinning more like 3ml per week instead of 2ml… Not sure how much 700-750mg test vs 500mg test would make a difference…
Don’t taper, that’s retarded. Test doesn’t work like that, where if you decrease your dose a bit then your natural levels turn back on to make up for it; it is an all or none system. If you have ANY significant amount of exogenous Test in your system, you natural Test production will stay at 0. There are studies that show this.

Your reactions aren’t 100% out of the ordinary, but they aren’t extremely common either. Where you running any other substances besides Test and your AI? Which AI where you running? When did you start your AI? Did you get bloods to show that your E2 was low, or were you just assuming? Basically, did you do something retarded to your hormones or did you follow proper protocol?

IMO, cruise for a bit. Which means drop down to 100-159mg/week of Test E/C and either no AI or a VERY small amount of AI. Wait 5-6 weeks and get blood tests done to confirm where you are at. Reevaluate and make a decision as to whether you want to PCT then.

Don’t fuck with you hormones if you don’t know what you are doing. There can be a lot of consequences if you do it wrong.
I understand how the exogenous part of it works. I felt as if I followed protocol and didn’t do anything out of the norm. Ran 1 week of DBol but dropped it due to bloating and BP.

I was assuming my E2 was low, mainly because I had been taking AI, felt like shit, and couldn’t move without my knees and other joints feeling like rusty hinges.

Do you suggest 0.25mL twice per week, or 0.5mL once a week for cruising?


dianabolman" pid='33713' dateline='1544497997:
Lmao I’m dying funny enough I dropped Like 20lbs and can’t seem to gain weight back and I’m also under the impression that I havs AIDS. Hormones are fucking crazy but it’s a part of the game and yeah a lot is trial and error but keep us updated
Don’t worry man. Are you on cycle? If you are, that coupled with the shit your taking will do it just as good too. I got sick twice this month.

“Associations between male testosterone and immune function in a pathogenically stressed forager-horticultural population”: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075254/

“In men, high testosterone can mean weakened immune response, study finds”: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ean-weakened-immune-response-study-finds.html


Twice a week injections will result in less fluctuations, so twice per week is preferable.
 
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strongr007

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NeverHesitate" pid='33702' dateline='1544492404:
This was me a few weeks ago bro. I tanked my E2 and felt like complete death. I thought to myself I rather be natty than feel like shit struggling to dial in E2 and hormone fluctuations. One part of me wants to cruise and another part of me wants to PCT and try again some time next year.
I’m glad I’m not alone here. Bad suicidal thoughts at one pouint, the next 5 days I had swollen limbs and my JOIIINTS… couldnt even move without discomfort and popping my kneed or neck.
Dude, that sounds like E2 issues. Water retention, joint pain, extreme mood swings. Are you using Aromasin, Arimidex, Letrazole?

Letrazole made me feel crazy bad. Asin and Arimidex are fine with no sides.

Two doses of mild anti-depressants a few years ago gave me suicidal thoughts that lasted a month. If you are taking anti depressants or any psychoactive meds you might take a look there.
 
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kingofcarbz" pid='33748' dateline='1544525065:
Using drugs that cause large hormone fluctuations such as dbol are a recipe for trouble among individuals with mental health related issues. Even with the most basic of drugs in testosterone you’ll want to be getting blood work done to find the accurate AI protocol for you as an individual. Going based off of sides or ‘feelings’ is not the way to go when you are susceptible to mania. Don’t dive head first into this, take it slow, with one drug, and at a low-moderate dose (think 3-400 mg test for 12-16 weeks, something like 125mg 3x/wk.). Get bloods done multiple times throughout your run and keep your AI protocol stable between those labs. Adjust based on the results of the bloods and not again until your next set. Determine if changes need to be made again and repeat the process until you’ve dialed in your dose/frequency of AI for that specific dose/frequency of testosterone. It’s pricey, tedious and time consuming, but for somebody on your spectrum of instability (no disrespect intended, I’m in the same boat) it’s truly necessary for the best possible quality of life.
I have a family history of some mental health problems. What I did to solve this is just quit taking AI. I’m my Estrogen was so low I felt like dying. The role estrogen plays on mental health is amazing and I’m much more respective of it after going though what I did.
 
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