Anecdotal experiences of long term daily test prop injections

[appropionate]

I phrased the topic as such because scientifically, test is test and any injection schedule with longer esthers that provides stable testosterone levels should give the exact same results (lets ignore small differences due to esther weight).

anecdotally however, reports of different experiences with different esthers are as old as steroid boards.

I’m really into circadian rhythms (day/night & light cycles & fluctuations of cortisol, melatonin etc.) and I’m curious whether injecting test prop daily (ace is rare to find) has resulted in any noticeable changes of… anything in those that have tried it.

searched all the big forum & this one for it and came up with nothing, as everyone runs tren/mast alongside it, obfuscating any results

 

[DHT]

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I’m curious whether injecting test prop daily has resulted in any noticeable changes of… anything in those that have tried it.

great question WOW

 

[Ishitrainbows]

I have experimented with Test E, C and P long term with daily injections. This was primarily to see how HCT could best be controlled using dailies but with an eye on E2 control as well. In this case of N=1 daily injections do keep HCT and E2 down quite significantly as opposed to 2x per week injections. No idea why this should be the case due to the varying Esther half lives but it just does. I must point out that I have a single digit SHBG so I burn through test like water.

One thing though. No difference noted with Test P over the others. The biggest take away for me is that Test C makes a shitload more E2 conversion that the other two and makes E2 control very difficult to manage. I find this odd as E and C should be interchangeable. I have found that I’m not the only person to have experienced this.

 

[Dexter]

Short esters don’t really allow you to achieve high total testosterone unless you’re on an ed injection schedule.

I’m personally a fan of Acetate for this reason, because it doesn’t seem to bring on the E2 sides, it’s in and out of your system in 48 hours and I also notice it doesn’t produce the pip that prop does.

High hct really revolves around higher total test. If a guy is sitting at 1500ng/dl and he continues to use longer ester injections it’s gonna stimulate epo production as each injection overlaps the other.

Test bottoms out quickly with short esters and most people end up not really holding onto higher testosterone levels, the pip of injecting 1ml of prop everyday, would wear out even the most sadomasochistic user eventually.

I suppose if someone really wanted to imitate what the body naturally does, would be to inject TNE every morning when they wake up.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

Short esters don’t really allow you to achieve high total testosterone unless you’re on an ed injection schedule.

I’m personally a fan of Acetate for this reason, because it doesn’t seem to bring on the E2 sides, it’s in and out of your system in 48 hours and I also notice it doesn’t produce the pip that prop does.

High hct really revolves around higher total test. If a guy is sitting at 1500ng/dl and he continues to use longer ester injections it’s gonna stimulate epo production as each injection overlaps the other.

Test bottoms out quickly with short esters and most people end up not really holding onto higher testosterone levels, the pip of injecting 1ml of prop everyday, would wear out even the most sadomasochistic user eventually.

I suppose if someone really wanted to imitate what the body naturally does, would be to inject TNE every morning when they wake up.

the pip of injecting 1ml of prop everyday, would wear out even the most sadomasochistic user eventually.
Challenge accepted ?

 

[Ishitrainbows]

@“appropionate” go take a good look around the excelmale forum. A number of the male trt community have run daily prop to try to match rhythms. There are some logs and interesting discussions backed up by bloods.

@“Dexter” agree that androgen load raises epo and therefore hct over time. The issue is that for some reason the administration of long esters daily slows it right down. No one seems sure why, many feel that it is the fluctuations that drive the epo/hct. In my case I can hold 47% max with a three month donation. Without daily injections I race up to 53-54% within the same timeframe. The later gives me physical symptoms. As above, it’s worth a look on excelmale as there are a lot of discussions on this issue. We on the PED side of house can learn a lot from the TRT mob and vice versa.

 

[appropionate]

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Short esters don’t really allow you to achieve high total testosterone unless you’re on an ed injection schedule.

I’m personally a fan of Acetate for this reason, because it doesn’t seem to bring on the E2 sides, it’s in and out of your system in 48 hours and I also notice it doesn’t produce the pip that prop does.

High hct really revolves around higher total test. If a guy is sitting at 1500ng/dl and he continues to use longer ester injections it’s gonna stimulate epo production as each injection overlaps the other.

Test bottoms out quickly with short esters and most people end up not really holding onto higher testosterone levels, the pip of injecting 1ml of prop everyday, would wear out even the most sadomasochistic user eventually.

I suppose if someone really wanted to imitate what the body naturally does, would be to inject TNE every morning when they wake up.

I’d totally go with test ace if it was more popular here in EU - I get zero pip from any products from my source due to sesame carrier oil and have been injecting 1ml daily for a couple of months anyways, so all that is fine.

Due to being on hrt test + tons of primo, my e2 is actually way too low, tested as <5 last bloodwork, with free test high & shbg low due to the primo as well. still trying to dial that in.

But now I’m thinking might as well go for test ace + inj. primo ace daily and have a bitch of a time finding a EU source for them.

@“Ishitrainbows” never heard of that place, going to check it out for sure, thanks!

 

[beefnewton]

Been injecting Prop daily (subcutaneously) for 3-4 years now for this reason, to more closely mimic the body’s natural production/rhythm. Been doing fine. I also tried TNE for a while, but it was too short of an ester (for me anyway). Maybe a combo of TNE and Ace would be something to pursue, but just Prop has been good enough.

 

[appropionate]

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Been injecting Prop daily (subcutaneously) for 3-4 years now for this reason, to more closely mimic the body’s natural production/rhythm. Been doing fine. I also tried TNE for a while, but it was too short of an ester (for me anyway). Maybe a combo of TNE and Ace would be something to pursue, but just Prop has been good enough.

Noticed any changes to longer esthers you can describe?

 

[beefnewton]

To be honest, no. But when I started, health-wise everything was in such terrible shape, I just don’t think I could have noticed finer things like water retention. If there were differences, they’ve been long lost to shit memory. Natural levels when I started varied between 50-150. Taking a shower got me out of breath. Now I try to keep it around 600-800. I have noticed over time I have had to increase my dose to keep that range, however.

I used to laugh at “TRT” protocols that were 200mg a week, because the body only makes 4-7mg of testosterone a day, with the upper end of that being seriously manly men. Even accounting for ester weight, that’s way more than the body needs for replacement levels, and most men are only deficient and do not need total replacement. 10mg daily used to be enough (and was actually too much in the beginning… been on TRT about seven years now), then by feel and labs, I had to bump to 15mg a day. Then once I started lifting two years ago, I went through the same thing. Started feeling bad and had low labs, so bumped to 20mg a day, which is where I am now. So I guess I don’t laugh anymore, but that’s still 140mg a week… and most of these doctors who are prescribing 200mg a week are doing it for men that are brand new to TRT who don’t even lift.

So there really is no value in my post insofar as the original ask… just that Prop does work for TRT… and subcutaneously with no pip or problems.

By the way, here is my protocol. I added actual AAS about 1.5 years ago, with the intent to just give me an edge, and things have worked out well. I do realize that some doses are way below those recommended (like the Primo). This is done year round. Labs like lipids, thyroid, and liver all are fine.

Morning
20mg Test P
20mg Mast P (this is my upper max… beyond this and shedding becomes a problem. But damn I do love Mast.)
30mg Primo E
12.5mg Proviron

Evening
12.5.mg Proviron

 

[Dexter]

We know that DHT derivatives bind out SHBG freeing up test, you could take a lower dose of test.

I consider 15mg/day active test upper limits of true TRT, however with those DHT derivatives you can actually go without test and still feel great because it’s the DHT that enhances so many CNS functions. I’ve even seen where a guy didn’t take any testosterone for a whole year and only used DHT(masteron) because he was broke after a divorce and that’s all he had on hand(even though it’s more expensive per gram). The guy reported a total test of like 20ng/dl at the end of this cycle, with a zero estrogen, but he still reported feeling fine, just no muscle growth during this period.

Proviron has been given to men with depression and found to work in certain situations.

You gotta a lot of guys asking why DHT isn’t included in trt protocols, mostly because its been demonized and blamed for so many problems, balding and people think your prostate will explode.