12 weeks in and feeling crappy

[parksisme]

12 weeks in on a 500mg test c cycle. Using HCG at 1000iu a week. Started GH 8 weeks ago at 1iu and now up to 4iu. But this last week I feel totally drained, tired: just want to sleep all day, no motivation to workout, or really eat. Feel kind of depressed actually. My wife says I am quiet. I was contributing it to the really back lower back pumps I have been having as they are crippling. So it really hard to gauge what I have or what's going on with me. I was taking 12.5mg asin a week once my 6 week bloodwork came back and my e2 was 114. So I haven't take AI in 2 weeks. Without bloodwork can I gain any insight?

 

[akabenny36]

Why did you stop taking Asin? 114 is pretty high

 

[Deleted member 21405]

12 weeks in on a 500mg test c cycle. Using HCG at 1000iu a week. Started GH 8 weeks ago at 1iu and now up to 4iu. But this last week I feel totally drained, tired: just want to sleep all day, no motivation to workout, or really eat. Feel kind of depressed actually. My wife says I am quiet. I was contributing it to the really back lower back pumps I have been having as they are crippling. So it really hard to gauge what I have or what's going on with me. I was taking 12.5mg asin a week once my 6 week bloodwork came back and my e2 was 114. So I haven't take AI in 2 weeks. Without bloodwork can I gain any insight?

So taking hcg which raises estrogen, your e2 is 114 and you stopped taking aromasin? Are you dumb? Your estrogen should be like 30. No wonder you feel like shit lol

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Why did you stop taking Asin? 114 is pretty high

I'd feel like asshole too lol

 

[MuscleMongoose]

I'd feel like asshole too lol

Why did you stop taking Asin? 114 is pretty high

He listened to the people who say

AIS ARE POISIN , HIGH E2 IS GOOD

 

[parksisme]

So taking hcg which raises estrogen, your e2 is 114 and you stopped taking aromasin? Are you dumb? Your estrogen should be like 30. No wonder you feel like shit lol

I dropped the AI because symptoms that I read are common with high e2 subsided. Thought the depression and not wanting to do anything was more from low e2 and was worried i crashed my e2 . I went and got blood work and my e2 is now 63. So I from this I can say I don't have believe the AI or lack of taking it is causing issues.
Furthermore I would now say it is the GH and from further reading GH can cause a good deal of lethargy.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I dropped the AI because symptoms that I read are common with high e2 subsided. Thought the depression and not wanting to do anything was more from low e2 and was worried i crashed my e2 . I went and got blood work and my e2 is now 63. So I from this I can say I don't have believe the AI or lack of taking it is causing issues.
Furthermore I would now say it is the GH and from further reading GH can cause a good deal of lethargy.

I'm glad you're an expert all of a sudden but when my estrogen gets to be like 40 I start getting the symptoms that you're getting 63 is still pretty high. Everyone reacts to it differently. My 40 gives me anxiety makes me feel like asshole well other people's 60 they have no sides. Get it to a manageable level

I've crashed my e2 before like less than five. 63 isn't crashing your e2 that's actually quite high. You want to be between like 30-40. I'm sure some others will chime in

 

[MuscleMongoose]

I'm glad you're an expert all of a sudden but when my estrogen gets to be like 40 I start getting the symptoms that you're getting 63 is still pretty high. Everyone reacts to it differently. My 40 gives me anxiety makes me feel like asshole well other people's 60 they have no sides. Get it to a manageable level

I've crashed my e2 before like less than five. 63 isn't crashing your e2 that's actually quite high. You want to be between like 30-40. I'm sure some others will chime in

Imaging thinking 63 e2 is good to be at lol.

They just don’t listen. It’s drilled into their head high e2 is good

I’m with you man. I don’t let my e2 go over 40.

I prefer mine in high 20s low 30s depending on where my test is at

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Imaging thinking 63 e2 is good to be at lol.

They just don’t listen. It’s drilled into their head high e2 is good

I’m with you man. I don’t let my e2 go over 40.

I prefer mine in high 20s low 30s depending on where my test is at

For real. When I am 40+ I get red face, feel anxious and like I am in a weird dream, irritable, trouble sleeping, the works pretty much haha

 

[MuscleMongoose]

For real. When I am 40+ I get red face, feel anxious and like I am in a weird dream, irritable, trouble sleeping, the works pretty much haha

Yep. I get facial flushing. Mad at the smalllest things ( trying to break my ai in half with pill cutter and if it doesn’t break evenly I’ll just chuck the two halves down the toilet cursing at them ) my balls sit too high and I get half assed boners.

 

[psauce]

I agree with everyone that an AI is appropriate here. If you don't want to add the compound, switch to every other day injection, and subq injection versus intramuscular. Each of those will help prevent big T peaks and reduce aromatization rates.

After thinking about it for a long time, I've started taking DHEA and pregnenolone (purchasable at Amazon... fully legal). Buy a brand with some lab testing. It's made a huge difference, especially in terms of general mood, background tension/anxiety, and a *massive* impact on sleep quality. I can't recommend it enough.

 

[parksisme]

I'm glad you're an expert all of a sudden but when my estrogen gets to be like 40 I start getting the symptoms that you're getting 63 is still pretty high. Everyone reacts to it differently. My 40 gives me anxiety makes me feel like asshole well other people's 60 they have no sides. Get it to a manageable level

I've crashed my e2 before like less than five. 63 isn't crashing your e2 that's actually quite high. You want to be between like 30-40. I'm sure some others will chime in

My point is when I got bloodwork done 6 weeks in my e2 was high and I felt fine. I had redness and bloat, but my mood and energy were good. I am now experiencing these effects and my estrogen is lower, which would make me point to the GH as the culprit because it is the only varialbe that I have changed.

 

[parksisme]

I agree with everyone that an AI is appropriate here. If you don't want to add the compound, switch to every other day injection, and subq injection versus intramuscular. Each of those will help prevent big T peaks and reduce aromatization rates.

After thinking about it for a long time, I've started taking DHEA and pregnenolone (purchasable at Amazon... fully legal). Buy a brand with some lab testing. It's made a huge difference, especially in terms of general mood, background tension/anxiety, and a *massive* impact on sleep quality. I can't recommend it enough.

I am nearing end of my cycle in 2 weeks. I wont be doing bloodwork again. When I was using asin I was using 12.5mg 3 times a week. I could add it this last two weeks, but I feel like my symptoms are not estrogen levels. My question would be does anyone have insight into GH use and lethargy and back pain/back pumps

 

[Musclehead34]

Eat more food ,take more caffeine. After 12 weeks, I myself feel negative results.

 

[Gbunk]

Honestly, I’ve been told from a high level coach that if you are bulking and you start feeling a little lethargic after weeks and weeks or whatever that it is probably because your body is putting on new tissue and it’s your body dealing with all that new tissue. Tires you out.

 

[Gbunk]

Imaging thinking 63 e2 is good to be at lol.

They just don’t listen. It’s drilled into their head high e2 is good

I’m with you man. I don’t let my e2 go over 40.

I prefer mine in high 20s low 30s depending on where my test is at

Imagine thinking that everyone feels the same with high e2.. some people can have high e2 and be fine.. the general rule is that If you feel fine with you e2 and don’t have sides, run with it. I’ve seen people on this forum that high if not higher without gyno or any other symptoms and they feel great. High e2 might even be good for building muscle I’ve seen people say.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

Imagine thinking that everyone feels the same with high e2.. some people can have high e2 and be fine.. the general rule is that If you feel fine with you e2 and don’t have sides, run with it. I’ve seen people on this forum that high if not higher without gyno or any other symptoms and they feel great. High e2 might even be good for building muscle I’ve seen people say.

Just switch to injecting estrogen if you like it that much bud