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Well you are not doing your job well by allowing sources like Hunter to continue to make a mockery of his customers and blatantly rip people off with zero accountability on your end.
I haven’t had any Hunter complaints about packs not landing in quite some time now. Do you have one personally? I would be happy to look into it and get it taken care of if there are any lingering if you would like to send to the modmail.

In fact, during the time when customers were having issues, all were issues related to not paying an appropriate amount to the BTC wallet including people who decided to split payment to the wallet, which you knowingly can’t do. So yes his comms could be better admittedly, when those who reached out to correct their BTC error. But the initial issue, not paying the appropriate amount to the wallet, wasn’t the source’s fault.

Would the appropriate response been to ban him and then those who reached out to him or mods then get nothing, even as packs were landing if the transaction was processed properly?

Let’s say there was 20 people who had an issue. You think that’s how many packs he’s sending from SST customers in the span of a week? So let’s say out of 100 packs, 20 are not sent because a BTC issue. You’d want to ban him so that 80 successful packs no longer have a source and 20 get nothing?

Instead, we mods assisted with the 20 people, (I’m just guessing the number) which again I don’t think other boards would do, and everyone gets their pack and whatever reputation Hunter had is now diminished and his business suffers accordingly, but all 100 people get a pack.

What would you have us do differently?

Oh and edit: Hunter was responsive and acknowledged everything with us the entire time. Every time I sent a message with order number he informed me of the issue and the pack was mailed. I would have preferred he communicate but it is what it is. The person got their pack.

This is counter to someone like DO who was not responsive to mod service requests whose service also diminished greatly over time.
 
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All we can do now is hope Odin comes in guns blazin' on the 6th and blows everyone away with absolutely dialed in testing results and unbeatable pricing lol :unsure:
 

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So, than if he scams me, you will make me whole? Idc abkut him.being banned. I care if I send 2k and he rips me, you will give me 2k out of your pocket?

I'm new here. Not new to boards or gear. I merely come around with civility. But demanding the bear minamum from a source isn't alot to ask.

I run a business and I also help run a 2nd. I know creating a well thought-out business plan and articulating said process isn't "too much in a day" assumong the standards are already established as they shlould be.

And no millard wont reimburse us, he expects us to be adults and manage ourselves. If I recall you*or your mods* were decieved by candy being a splitoff of apejuice* where that was brought out in meso on like page 2 through out DD.

I like it here. Good culture. Good people. Domestic sources. But my question is what do you or other mods do? Professional muscle will make victims whole. They take responsibility for approving bad sources, do you? Or any mod?

If the answers know, it seems more than fair we ask to see proof of his lab. Proof of his sterilization. Proof of his inventory to know we arent orderong shit he doesn't have on hand.

I and others arent here to attack anyone. We are here to ensure everyone gets legit gear and not taken advantage of.

Im sure all new sources benefit YOU greatly, and the the boards to supply funds to help better them.

Of anything you should be proud to have a community who cares so much about what they put in their bodys they demand proof.

I for 1,000 bucks I could have out together an AMAZING introduction for him. He seems like a bathtub source tbh. And hasnt even once taken criticism with an open mind.

I hope you don't ban me for speaking my mind. Not attacking you. Jist as you jave 0 idea who I ak IRL, Idk you irl or this guy irl. And I should inkect gear of his, why? Because he sent pics to a mod?

Nobkdy gets busted by showing sterilized products. Its usually unhappy customers, shady business practices, or that "lets propertly do his package later" leading to leaky vials.

Im passionate about the health and safety. And others deserve to see and be aware of said concerns and how he handles them and make their own judgment than. "I sent it to a mod" doesnt cut it for most"

Hope you onow this wasnt a shot at you bro. Just a source who had 5 days to formalize a 1st impression is all.

You have to go back
 

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Thanks, also I did not post prices yet because I do plan on having a sale with lower than normal prices when I open. I'm still printing labels for the orals as we speak.
Whats your email brother? Or can you pm me it?
 

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Lol Wow, cry me a river! A source is choosing to run his business the way he wants instead of what some newbs are demanding he do immediately!

If you truly are that uncomfortable with ANY source anywhere, then move a long to the next one you prefer! It's that simple! No need to go on some rant pissing and moaning before the guy even opens his doors or you place a order... Word to the wise, placing a small order first before placing something thats worth more is usually the normal rule of thumb when using a new source.

Again if theres something you dont like about a source, then move on to the next one you prefer. I've noticed that theres several sources on here that are from eroids, which is known to be a go to scamming, deleting post, scandouls bullshit site, yet guys seem to be all over those sources go figure lol...
 

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All we can do now is hope Odin comes in guns blazin' on the 6th and blows everyone away with absolutely dialed in testing results and unbeatable pricing lol :unsure:
That we dope! I think Odin will amaze us! I definitely understand the views from other members but they also need a chance!
 

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Lol Wow, cry me a river! A source is choosing to run his business the way he wants instead of what some newbs are demanding he do immediately!

If you truly are that uncomfortable with ANY source anywhere, then move a long to the next one you prefer! It's that simple! No need to go on some rant pissing and moaning before the guy even opens his doors or you place a order... Word to the wise, placing a small order first before placing something thats worth more is usually the normal rule of thumb when using a new source.

Again if theres something you dont like about a source, then move on to the next one you prefer. I've noticed that theres several sources on here that are from eroids, which is known to be a go to scamming, deleting post, scandouls bullshit site, yet guys seem to be all over those sources go figure lol...
Absolutely agree we live in a me me me society and people think other people should do things the way they want. Instead of letting it play out and see what happens. Source might end up being a goat. Just wait and see instead of being a keyboard warrior. Instead of slamming a source because the way he is running there business the way they want not the way u want. Sorry rambled lol people piss me off anymore
 

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I had no idea a pill press was highly regulated by the DEA and is illegal for a person without a DEA license to own one. Fact of the day for me.
Order a high end money counter. It's not illegal but you'll get a lot of attention from the feds.
 
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Guy has no prices. This thread is a joke alone.
 

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Seeing photos of the lab and all equipment with an active time stamp is a requirement of our application. Did I fly out to see it in person? No. Don’t be ridiculous.

The muscle candy and juiceape situation has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their gear or operation. How would that be a scam to the mods if the team split off to form another lab so long as both had a passing application and produced quality gear?

Sources aren’t required to post pics because we are on a clearnet site and they’ve already provided it once via secure email. Again, some sources are okay with posting the pics, some are not. If you only want to chose those that post the pics, that is absolutely your prerogative.

What’s not your prerogative is when the source refuses to post pics, as is his choice, is to be an asshole or a Karen, “Well, if you’re not gonna post pics, I’m not gonna shop here. I’m leaving a one star yelp review and no one will ever shop here again!” That’s kinda how you all are sounding.

I’m not sure your personal business, but I presume you have a product or service you sell. Now if someone asked for the secret recipe to your product, or every step and tool you use to perform X service, I don’t think you’d be all that transparent with them. And then expect a Karen response and a 1 star yelp review.

Plankton still doesn’t have the Krabby Patty recipe after all these years. Just think if Mr Krabs just was transparent with the formula? And on SST, we’re talking things that are illegal, not a burger. There’s considerably more risk involved.

For example, did you know owning a pill press as an individual is illegal just by itself? So you want all our sources out here blasting that they have one in a photo for all of LE to see?
No I would never give out classified information, or my algorithms or my technology. But if I was selling something that relied heavily on a clean sterile environment I would most certainly show and entertain who what when where why and how I did. I would also prove that I wasn't using a half-assed facility and in a real office / warehouse.

You also cannot compare an illegsl drug operation to a technology company or marketing / business venture capitalist analytics business, where alot of the revenue comes from administration and consulting and I sure would inform a customer some of the things we do, prepare, analyze and plan to improve as well as provide a portfolio. I wasn't asking him to give a live your, just a mere understanding of sterilization procedures and some photos of such equipment to prove it wasn't being done in a bathroom. And let's be honest, no source is going to be busted bt LE for posting a fileted pic of a pill press. He could even just DM it. But as you said, he doesn't have to per the rules. But I can ask.

I would hardly call that a karen. Trying to ensure my own safety and legitimacy isn't me beijg a karen, it's wanting to make sure I am getting a sterilized quality product. If you go in a restaurant, and every dish on your tables dirty, would you not be curious and possibly want to see how things are cleaned?

And sincyomods are the 1s who were shown and vouching shouldn't they also bear some responsibility if the products are bad? The whole "you dont have to buy or use this" is also true and poor business ethics.

And the MC 1 relevant as it jist proves the Dprovevided to mods can be limited, lied, and overlooked. Having people willing to help do DD into sources should be encouraged tbh. But clearly this is going nowhere. So I won't bother.
He could make great gear, who knows? But in my opinion it was a very sloppily lazily put together intro. And instead of even answering my basic questins he took offense. And than you came in to save him by saying he doesn't have to. He never even had to defend or answer. Weather he DMd you or another mod or whatever. It would have been alot more respectable had he just said some practices he used.

just stating my thoughts at this point. It's all academic discussion.

You have made the rules clear though. I will drop it. Have a good weekend.
 

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And why would I respond to comments like yours when its clear you have an agenda
Because theres 1000s of people reading this? And seeing how you take and respond to questions and criticism?

You came off with a lazy unfinished intro, and when people ask you basic questions you dont even provide answers?

Also you said you were in this game for 10 years?

I havent seen you on 1 major forum. Where were you before this? Or what name were you working under?

I have nothing against you other than the fact you have an attitude like merely making a post with a "HELLO OPENING SOON" Would somehow make everyone line up.

We got people who answer questions with class and effort. They succeed. I suggest taking some time to read the more successful sources intros and how they reply to customers and future prospects.
 

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Because theres 1000s of people reading this? And seeing how you take and respond to questions and criticism?
Seeing as you are all asking the same questions I already answered how do you want me to respond?

You came off with a lazy unfinished intro, and when people ask you basic questions you dont even provide answers?
I have not done any intro I am not even open, I got these questions from people like you as I was still learning how to edit the page.

Also you said you were in this game for 10 years?
Yes, more than 10 years very successfully.

I havent seen you on 1 major forum.
Why would you see me on another forum I am only Odin Labs here on SST

Where were you before this?
Who said before???? I'm still a source in other places

Or what name were you working under?
It's none of your business what I do anywhere else other than here. I don't need to explain to you why that would be an issue. To me its common sense being in this business, why you would not want it to be know where you operate.

I have nothing against you other than the fact you have an attitude like merely making a post with a "HELLO OPENING SOON" Would somehow make everyone line up.
My subscription here started in March, I am not ready to ship yet as I am still printing labels and getting other things in order for the new label. I am ready to go on the 6th so i figured I will start posting and figuring out how to do things here. That for whatever reason seems to bother you and many others but oh well
We got people who answer questions with class and effort. They succeed. I suggest taking some time to read the more successful sources intros and how they reply to customers and future prospects.
I was already told in email that certain people would post negative things no matter what I did, T&H was named a lot but surprisingly he barley posted today. So all these comments were expected that is why you can tell I am not really taking them serious. Also I see it's the same people saying the same things on other pages. Maybe they work for other sources or whatever. Regardless I know how to do well in this business because like I said I have been at this a long time. I know there will be people who have an issue with this response regardless of what I said.
Criticism is highly valued when it is constructive and helpful.
 
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No I would never give out classified information, or my algorithms or my technology. But if I was selling something that relied heavily on a clean sterile environment I would most certainly show and entertain who what when where why and how I did. I would also prove that I wasn't using a half-assed facility and in a real office / warehouse.

You also cannot compare an illegsl drug operation to a technology company or marketing / business venture capitalist analytics business, where alot of the revenue comes from administration and consulting and I sure would inform a customer some of the things we do, prepare, analyze and plan to improve as well as provide a portfolio. I wasn't asking him to give a live your, just a mere understanding of sterilization procedures and some photos of such equipment to prove it wasn't being done in a bathroom. And let's be honest, no source is going to be busted bt LE for posting a fileted pic of a pill press. He could even just DM it. But as you said, he doesn't have to per the rules. But I can ask.

I would hardly call that a karen. Trying to ensure my own safety and legitimacy isn't me beijg a karen, it's wanting to make sure I am getting a sterilized quality product. If you go in a restaurant, and every dish on your tables dirty, would you not be curious and possibly want to see how things are cleaned?

And sincyomods are the 1s who were shown and vouching shouldn't they also bear some responsibility if the products are bad? The whole "you dont have to buy or use this" is also true and poor business ethics.

And the MC 1 relevant as it jist proves the Dprovevided to mods can be limited, lied, and overlooked. Having people willing to help do DD into sources should be encouraged tbh. But clearly this is going nowhere. So I won't bother.
He could make great gear, who knows? But in my opinion it was a very sloppily lazily put together intro. And instead of even answering my basic questins he took offense. And than you came in to save him by saying he doesn't have to. He never even had to defend or answer. Weather he DMd you or another mod or whatever. It would have been alot more respectable had he just said some practices he used.

just stating my thoughts at this point. It's all academic discussion.

You have made the rules clear though. I will drop it. Have a good weekend.
Chill, baby.
 

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No I would never give out classified information, or my algorithms or my technology. But if I was selling something that relied heavily on a clean sterile environment I would most certainly show and entertain who what when where why and how I did. I would also prove that I wasn't using a half-assed facility and in a real office / warehouse.

You also cannot compare an illegsl drug operation to a technology company or marketing / business venture capitalist analytics business, where alot of the revenue comes from administration and consulting and I sure would inform a customer some of the things we do, prepare, analyze and plan to improve as well as provide a portfolio. I wasn't asking him to give a live your, just a mere understanding of sterilization procedures and some photos of such equipment to prove it wasn't being done in a bathroom. And let's be honest, no source is going to be busted bt LE for posting a fileted pic of a pill press. He could even just DM it. But as you said, he doesn't have to per the rules. But I can ask.

I would hardly call that a karen. Trying to ensure my own safety and legitimacy isn't me beijg a karen, it's wanting to make sure I am getting a sterilized quality product. If you go in a restaurant, and every dish on your tables dirty, would you not be curious and possibly want to see how things are cleaned?

And sincyomods are the 1s who were shown and vouching shouldn't they also bear some responsibility if the products are bad? The whole "you dont have to buy or use this" is also true and poor business ethics.

And the MC 1 relevant as it jist proves the Dprovevided to mods can be limited, lied, and overlooked. Having people willing to help do DD into sources should be encouraged tbh. But clearly this is going nowhere. So I won't bother.
He could make great gear, who knows? But in my opinion it was a very sloppily lazily put together intro. And instead of even answering my basic questins he took offense. And than you came in to save him by saying he doesn't have to. He never even had to defend or answer. Weather he DMd you or another mod or whatever. It would have been alot more respectable had he just said some practices he used.

just stating my thoughts at this point. It's all academic discussion.

You have made the rules clear though. I will drop it. Have a good weekend.
Sir you are quite something else. Do not “let’s be honest,” me because I’ve seen stuff that’s put here used against sources. Your argument here about not having an OPSEC compromise because of a photo is incorrect.

The illegal equipment and product he has are “classified information,” because they are illegal. Now can you ask what his brew process is and his filter process, heat sterilization process? Absolutely. And he should be able to answer you sufficiently. But you’re not entitled to see his peristaltic pump, flow hood, autoclave etc. End of story. Donezo. No source is required to show that to anyone but us in the app process. I’m not arguing this point with you further.

Being a Karen is going into the restaurant and asking to see the plates before sitting down to order and then when they say that’s weird and refuse, you saying it’s poor service, zero stars, I won’t eat here again, when you haven’t ordered in the first place. That’s what YOU’RE doing here.

Your example of a Karen in this context is poor. Of course if the plates, or gear, was dirty, as has happened to multiple sources in my time, you’d have some legitimacy to your bitching, but you don’t. And when it has happened we hold sources accountable for a replacement or refund. It’s not uncommon.

You have no legitimate complaint except for the fact the answer provided to you was not what you wanted. That’s fine and fair. Go to a different restaurant where they will show you the plate cleanliness before you sit down, aka another source with a better answer, in this analogy.

Obviously you haven’t read our wiki or you’d know that PMs are disabled here. Always have been, always will be. So no he can’t PM you. I would ask that you and everyone read it to familiarize themselves with how SST operates.

SST is not a business and mods have no responsibility for the source that any individual users choose. The fact that you’re so hung up on this, having mods reimburse for bad gear, makes me think that you really like that policy. So you should patronize the board where they apparently offer it.

There’s no need or requirement for you to be here and while you state that you like SST, the other parts of your statement contradict every SST does and is about.

I’m no longer replying to you. Anything further will result in a temp ban and then a permanent one if this continues after that.
 

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If the guy doesn't feel like ordering gear from someone who won't FaceTime their op so be it.

Don't understand why this is turned into what it is. If he's not confident with someone's practice he doesn't have to order from them. He could get raws from China and do it himself.

I really don't understand why it is turned into such a big deal. No you're not going to get reimbursed for bunk gear, at best you send it in for testing and you go from there. So what you're out 40 bucks or a couple hundred you move on and keep going with the game.

I don't know what is driving this guy's actions but it should have been a no-brainer what is or isn't reasonable requests and actions to take, It really didn't deserve all this trouble.
 

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I haven’t had any Hunter complaints about packs not landing in quite some time now. Do you have one personally? I would be happy to look into it and get it taken care of if there are any lingering if you would like to send to the modmail.

In fact, during the time when customers were having issues, all were issues related to not paying an appropriate amount to the BTC wallet including people who decided to split payment to the wallet, which you knowingly can’t do. So yes his comms could be better admittedly, when those who reached out to correct their BTC error. But the initial issue, not paying the appropriate amount to the wallet, wasn’t the source’s fault.

Would the appropriate response been to ban him and then those who reached out to him or mods then get nothing, even as packs were landing if the transaction was processed properly?

Let’s say there was 20 people who had an issue. You think that’s how many packs he’s sending from SST customers in the span of a week? So let’s say out of 100 packs, 20 are not sent because a BTC issue. You’d want to ban him so that 80 successful packs no longer have a source and 20 get nothing?

Instead, we mods assisted with the 20 people, (I’m just guessing the number) which again I don’t think other boards would do, and everyone gets their pack and whatever reputation Hunter had is now diminished and his business suffers accordingly, but all 100 people get a pack.

What would you have us do differently?

Oh and edit: Hunter was responsive and acknowledged everything with us the entire time. Every time I sent a message with order number he informed me of the issue and the pack was mailed. I would have preferred he communicate but it is what it is. The person got their pack.

This is counter to someone like DO who was not responsive to mod service requests whose service also diminished greatly over time.


Thank you for doing that. This post really strengthened my opinion of what this site does.

Only suggestion I have, is maybe post in that thread earlier? To a lot of people following it, it just seemed like it was spiraling out of control with no updates.

Glad to know you were taking care of everyone behind the scenes.
 
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