Three Weeks into PPL Sustanon TRT

[moscatem]

I’ve been running Purple Panda’s Sustanon 250 since the middle of March without any profound effects. I was inspired to start this regimen due to classical low T symptoms and two bloodworks drawn approximately 6 weeks apart that showed my levels to be at the very low end of the normal range. Unfortunately since my levels were technically “in range” my Dr. wouldn’t prescribe anything other than Androgel. So I decided to do some research and take matters into my own hands.

I’ve been active most of my life, but was diagnosed with a pretty severe case of Lyme disease two years ago. My doctor suspects I’ve had it for a few years longer than that, given I started to see symptoms back in my late teens. I just turned 30. I think this along with a few nasty ski crashes have messed up my levels.

Since starting the TRT I have experienced a somewhat increased mood, less irritability and a sporadic increase in my libido. It’s subtle but not life changing. I noticed a big increase in libido during week 2, along with erection strength and duration, morning wood, etc. Wondering if that was just placebo that’s now wearing off, or if that horrible 125mg Sub Q first injection was peaking around that time.

Currently my dosing schedule has been:
Week 1 EOD
3/15/18 - 125mg(.5ml) Sust 250 SubQ R Abdomen
3/17/18 - 62.5mg(.25ml) Sust 250 SubQ L Abd
3/19/18 - 50mg(.20ml) Sust 250 SubQ R Abd
3/21/18 - 50mg(.20ml) Sust 250 SubQ L Abd
Week 2 EOD —> E3D
3/23/18 - 62.5mg(.25ml) Sust 250 SubQ R Abd
3/25/18 - 50mg(.20ml) Sust 250 IM R Quad
3/27/18 - 75mg(.30ml) Sust 250 IM L Quad
3/30/18 - 75mg(.30ml) Sust 250 IM R Q
Week 3 E3D
4/2/18 - 75mg(.30ml) Sust 250 IM L Q

I’m planning to run a comprehensive blood panel at the conclusion of my fourth week. I’m concerned that my dosage might be too low and frequent for the spread of esters in the Sustanon blend, and that running it sub Q may have messed with my body’s response to the cycle. (I didn’t have the proper needles for IM at that time.)

Should I switch to Test C and see how that makes me feel?
Is my dosage too low? Too frequent?

What should my libido and drive feel like relative to the dosage?
Does dosing more often help keep levels level?

 

[Oldmantrt2]

Curious as to why you chose sustanon? With the mixture of long and short esters seems like there would be alot of ups and downs.

 

[newvenice]

Hey man I would use steroidcalc to plan ur injection frequency a little better and injecting into your glute will make it absorb much better. Keep in mind the Prop & Phenly props are going to peak the next day then fade very quickly. Since you already have the sustonon obviously continue to use it but next time maybe keep it simple with Test E. The deconate in the sus is going to take a while to feel . Since sus has so much deconate don’t be scared to dose a little higher, the deconate last weeks in your system so shooting 500mg of sus is nothing like 500mg of prop a week. Hope this helps bud!

 

[moscatem]

Oldmantrt2" pid='5567' dateline='1522783841:

Curious as to why you chose sustanon? With the mixture of long and short esters seems like there would be alot of ups and downs.

I read that it was designed for TRT and would help keep plasma concentrations of test relatively stable. Knowing that the shorter esters would kick in and fade pretty quickly I decided to do an EOD pinning schedule but when I switched to the IM injections I could put a bit more into each so I decided to stretch it out. I definitely felt good the second week and I’m guessing maybe because I overdid it on the first few pins.

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newvenice" pid='5576' dateline='1522787303:

Hey man I would use steroidcalc to plan ur injection frequency a little better and injecting into your glute will make it absorb much better. Keep in mind the Prop & Phenly props are going to peak the next day then fade very quickly. Since you already have the sustonon obviously continue to use it but next time maybe keep it simple with Test E. The deconate in the sus is going to take a while to feel . Since sus has so much deconate don’t be scared to dose a little higher, the deconate last weeks in your system so shooting 500mg of sus is nothing like 500mg of prop a week. Hope this helps bud!

Hey man thanks, I appreciate the suggestion. I’m going to check out that dosing calculator right now. I’ve been trying to manually figure out each half life but kept getting confused because each ester is dosed differently in the blend. I do have some Test C on hand so I might try switching to that and see how I feel after this vial is done. I also want to see how my bloods come back and really want to be on a stable program for at least a week prior to the draw.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

 

[moscatem]

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

 

[Seatedmaggs]

moscatem" pid='5860' dateline='1522946068:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

Yes you are retarded

 

[moscatem]

Seatedmaggs" pid='5876' dateline='1522951138:

moscatem" pid='5860' dateline='1522946068:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

Yes you are retarded

Love you too boo

 

[AlexinOKC]

Seatedmaggs" pid='5876' dateline='1522951138:

moscatem" pid='5860' dateline='1522946068:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

Yes you are retarded

How about you post something helpful instead of spamming the comment with useless douchebaggery?

 

[moscatem]

AlexinOKC" pid='6065' dateline='1523041948:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5876' dateline='1522951138:

moscatem" pid='5860' dateline='1522946068:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

Yes you are retarded

How about you post something helpful instead of spamming the comment with useless douchebaggery?

There’s no arguing with idiots. Heck, I’m not even “crusing” since I’ve never run a blast cycle. I’m simply self administering TRT that insurance wouldn’t cover. I appreciate your comment, and figured BDB (bro douche bag) had some personal issues he needs to work out on his own.

 

[Peepeeassnigga]

AlexinOKC" pid='6065' dateline='1523041948:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5876' dateline='1522951138:

moscatem" pid='5860' dateline='1522946068:

Seatedmaggs" pid='5847' dateline='1522942172:

Cruising on sustanon=full retard

Because Sustanon was not designed to be used exactly for that purpose? I must be retarded

Yes you are retarded

How about you post something helpful instead of spamming the comment with useless douchebaggery?

Ok i guess what he means is cruising on sus is bad. It was designed for trt but ended up not really being practical. I would just switch to test c now ig i was u… Fuck sus

 

[Bearslovecheese]

As stated, Sust was originally made for trt purposes but the practicality of it was found to just not be as effective as hoped. The idea of blending short and long esters works in theory, but you still run into the ups and downs that the short esters bring UNLESS you are injecting frequently. Which if you’re injecting frequently you might as well just be injecting short esters in the first place. For the purposes of TRT you would want to use a longer ester which will provide stable blood levels in between shots UNLESS you’re thinking of getting back off it as a really short term trial. The main issue with TRT is going to be the differences between your peak and trough levels and how much swing there is in between them. Allow me to share some % difference from peak to trough numbers I punched up for myself on longer esters and dosage frequency.

Test E 2x/wk Injection: 37.3% Swing
Test D 2x/wk Injection: 24.4% Swing (What I’m currently on)
Test D 1x/Wk Injection: 45.2% Swing
Test U 1x/Wk Injection: 20% Swing
Test U 2x/Wk Injection: 10.7% Swing
Test U EoWk Injection: 34.8% Injection (Every other Week Test U = 2x week Test E = so cool)

Test C would have slightly less of a swing because of a slightly longer half life then Enanthate, but they’re pretty damn close. The less difference between peak and trough the tighter your dose is the less your test levels are actually above physiological levels and the less they are creeping down sub 500. To apply that 37% swing on Test E, if I were injecting and at 48hrs my Total test level came back at 600, that can be taken to mean that my numbers after injection would be up 20%, and my number would still drop another 10% before my next one. More stable test, more stable estro, more stable everything. TRT can be called the art of injecting testosterone while figuring out how the fuck to keep estrogen dialed in. The testosterone is irrelevant, once you’re over 600 you have, effectively, “enough”. Yes, some do and we probably could all feel even better at 900+ levels but really, if you weren’t told what your numbers were most of us would be fine as long as we stayed above 600. It’s really about that E2 number being where you want it, whether that’s in the upper teens, or mid to upper 20’s.

My honest suggestion is to put that Sustanon aside for now and save it for when/if you want to do a little steroid blast. Get yourself some Test E/C/D/U from wherever you find that you trust, and you need to stick to a very specific injection frequency. Pick a dose, pick a frequency, and stick to them. My Monday injection is always 9-11AM, but my Thursday dose is theoretically supposed to be at night but it gets done either at lunch on Thursday from work or when I get home from work before wife gets home (she “worries” about me sticking myself/not being under doctor care even though as you can see…I’m a well qualified amateur trt doc at this point unbeknownst to her). The day matters way more then the time of day. Stick to injecting by the day on a set schedule for a minimum of 5 weeks, more if you go with Decanoate or Undecanoate esters, then get your bloodwork drawn either by your doctor (ask for a physical and if they would please pull total testosterone as well as Estradiol sensitive assay. Say you’re documenting it as you age because you’re interested in trt in the future, or that your father had low T and you want to make sure its not an issue for you, etc) or order the two tests from labcorp and walk in and give blood. You’ll get that drawn at 42-48 hours post injection. This will tell you something close to your midrange of test. Referring to above, your number will be a little higher before the test and a little lower after it before your next pin.

125mg/wk is quite often a very good starting Test dose. 152mg/wk of Southern Compounding’s test E pegged me at 980 but most people routinely hit 5-6x multiplier off his gear as well as many other source’s Test E. A 125/wk dose means that at worst you could expect a 4.5x, or 560 total test, and if you respond REALLY well an 8x, or 1000 total test, on your report. The odds of you being 4.5 or 8x are much lower then landing comfortably in the middle at 5-7 though! And at this dose you will likely not need an AI. I wouldn’t run one unless you found yourself with high estro symptoms. Your blood test will tell you where you E2 is at, and you do NOT want to take an AI leading up to the test because you will skew your results and render them not quite useless but not as valuable. After your results you can decide whether you want to try moving up to 150, whether that would require a light AI protocol, etc. And we can certainly help you along the way with that!

 

[scrapiron]

Oldmantrt2" pid='5567' dateline='1522783841:

Curious as to why you chose sustanon? With the mixture of long and short esters seems like there would be alot of ups and downs.

The point of sust is to keep blood levels as stable as possible. It does the opposite of what you are suggesting.