Texas Mass - Test E / Anavar

[ragarthepirate]

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

 

[brainbot1]

Following up on blood work please. Thank you

 

[oztik]

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

 

[Sparker]

oztik" pid='26350' dateline='1537716795:

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

What do you mean by “you shouldn’t be converting”? And where did you get this information?

 

[trenbolgona]

I’m on his Test and Primo and haven’t had issues

 

[FeatherGrain]

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

How long does it take you to pin with that slin pin?

 

[oztik]

Sparker" pid='26365' dateline='1537739729:

oztik" pid='26350' dateline='1537716795:

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

What do you mean by “you shouldn’t be converting”? And where did you get this information?

Most of it can be found in the The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible which is on Amazon. Has excerpts from other doctors with links to the research.

TOT Revolution on YouTube is their channel and they do weekly podcasts with 3 to 4 doctors who are the leaders in hormone optimization and talk all of this stuff in depth, backed by published research.

As for what do I mean by you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much and exhibit symptoms of high estrogen (gyno). An AI can be used to block the estrogen, but many people take it preventatively or much more than they should. There is not a single study out there that supports why any man would benefit being on an AI.

If all of this sounds like another language to you, I highly recommend you read that book cause this is like testosterone 101 stuff.

 

[01101010]

oztik" pid='26489' dateline='1537882812:

Sparker" pid='26365' dateline='1537739729:

oztik" pid='26350' dateline='1537716795:

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

What do you mean by “you shouldn’t be converting”? And where did you get this information?

Most of it can be found in the The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible which is on Amazon. Has excerpts from other doctors with links to the research.

TOT Revolution on YouTube is their channel and they do weekly podcasts with 3 to 4 doctors who are the leaders in hormone optimization and talk all of this stuff in depth, backed by published research.

As for what do I mean by you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much and exhibit symptoms of high estrogen (gyno). An AI can be used to block the estrogen, but many people take it preventatively or much more than they should. There is not a single study out there that supports why any man would benefit being on an AI.

If all of this sounds like another language to you, I highly recommend you read that book cause this is like testosterone 101 stuff.

You’re on a steroid forum, get out of here with your condescending ‘101’ bullshit. You’re wrong, by the way.

 

[Sparker]

oztik" pid='26489' dateline='1537882812:

Sparker" pid='26365' dateline='1537739729:

oztik" pid='26350' dateline='1537716795:

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

What do you mean by “you shouldn’t be converting”? And where did you get this information?

Most of it can be found in the The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible which is on Amazon. Has excerpts from other doctors with links to the research.

TOT Revolution on YouTube is their channel and they do weekly podcasts with 3 to 4 doctors who are the leaders in hormone optimization and talk all of this stuff in depth, backed by published research.

As for what do I mean by you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much and exhibit symptoms of high estrogen (gyno). An AI can be used to block the estrogen, but many people take it preventatively or much more than they should. There is not a single study out there that supports why any man would benefit being on an AI.

If all of this sounds like another language to you, I highly recommend you read that book cause this is like testosterone 101 stuff.

Well it sounded like you were going to have a decent reply until that last paragraph. Gotta love the internet lol. Anyways I’m no doctor but I would wager the vast majority of doctors who specializes in trt prescribe some form of ai. There are other negative health impacts from high estrogen other than just gyno. I’m sure you already knew that from YouTube and the book you read though.

I’m far from pro ai and I agree it shouldn’t be used as much as it is advised on places like Reddit and such but in some cases, for some people, it is absolutely necessary. Good luck blasting those long ester testosterone cycles without converting to estrogen my dude.

I was hoping you had some legit studies to prove your point so maybe I could learn some new updated research but it seems you’re just a fanboy of some YouTube channel. That’s too bad because I was genuinely interested.

 

[oztik]

Well it sounded like you were going to have a decent reply until that last paragraph. Gotta love the internet lol. Anyways I’m no doctor but I would wager the vast majority of doctors who specializes in trt prescribe some form of ai. There are other negative health impacts from high estrogen other than just gyno. I’m sure you already knew that from YouTube and the book you read though.

I’m far from pro ai and I agree it shouldn’t be used as much as it is advised on places like Reddit and such but in some cases, for some people, it is absolutely necessary. Good luck blasting those long ester testosterone cycles without converting to estrogen my dude.

I was hoping you had some legit studies to prove your point so maybe I could learn some new updated research but it seems you’re just a fanboy of some YouTube channel. That’s too bad because I was genuinely interested.

An AI prevents the conversion, you want your estrogen as high as possible without symptoms. Lol you need to read some more and not rely on bro science. Majority of doctors who specialize in TRT recommend it? Wow.

minute 31:00: when a minimum effective dose of an AI is appropriate
minute 33:00 “no study that shows benefit of blocking estrogen”

minute 29:20: effects of AI on men, dexascans and osteoporosis,

Here’s a whole lecture on estadiol that breaks down all the myths you probably believe in.

"Aromasin is also compatible with Nolvadex, and in some instances has beneficial effects on bone mineral content and lipid profiles. It suppresses estrogen more strongly than Arimidex, but as a Type 1 AI, it deactivates the aromatase enzyme and renders the enzyme inactive, thus allowing other ancillary medications to work230. This medication is rarely prescribed by TOT physicians. It needs to be studied more closely due to its unique ability to raise testosterone levels via its reduction of SHBG levels. It should also be more rigorously examined because Arimidex, as the primary alternative, is being shown in recent studies231 to be detrimental to bone mineral density (BMD) over time. There have been some rare cases of hepatoxicity232 (i.e. liver toxicity) found with its use. As previously stated with Arimidex, we believe it is prudent to minimize the usage of all AIs when undergoing TOT.

Due to scientific studies236 showing the negative consequences to bone mineral density237 from long-term use of AI medications238, we adamantly recommend that AIs are ONLY used for short periods of time. This is to get estrogen levels within an acceptable therapeutic range where hormonal balance is achieved and side effects are alleviated. A much safer and effective strategy is to either reduce the testosterone dosage, or alter the dosing schedule to deal with the symptoms of excess estrogen. Dr. Robert Kominiarek sees patients in his practice with osteoporosis (breakdown of the bones) in the spine and hips after being on Arimidex for 6-12+ consecutive months (or longer). This is a terrible situation for a TOT patient, and one that physicians attempt to avoid at all costs. The dosing of these AI medications is highly variable as all men are biochemically different from one another. As aromatase inhibition is dose-dependent, it has been suggested that aromatase is less suppressed in the testes than in adipose and muscle tissue, which explains the incomplete effectiveness of aromatase inhibition in men. Again, that is why it is crucial to have a competent TOT"

1. Simpson ER (2003). “Sources of estrogen and their importance.” The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 86 (3–5): 225–30. doi:10.1016/ S0960-0760(03)00360-1. PMID 14623515.
2. Bao T, Fetting J, Mumford L, et al. Severe prolonged cholestatic hepatitis caused by exemestane. Breast cancer research and treatment. 2010;121(3):789791. doi:10.1007/s10549-009-0576-x.
3. Finkelstein JS, Lee H, Leder BZ, et al. Gonadal steroid–dependent effects on bone turnover and bone mineral density in men. The Journal of Clinical Investigation. 2016;126(3):1114-1125.

I haven’t bodied someone like this online in a while, so thank you. Gets my adrenaline flowing. Lmao!!

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01101010" pid='26495' dateline='1537893691:

oztik" pid='26489' dateline='1537882812:

Sparker" pid='26365' dateline='1537739729:

oztik" pid='26350' dateline='1537716795:

ragarthepirate" pid='19603' dateline='1531196252:

I am a couple weeks into running Texas’s Test E and Anavar. I came off a cruise running Biomass TRT blend from the old days. Stuff for whatever reason was like get kicked by a mule every shot. 10 mins of burn and then exactly 12 hours later it was 2 days of PIP.

Texas’s stuff has been a welcome change. Injecting 250 mg every 3.5 days with a 5/8” slin pin in the delt. Anavar seems to have that legit “the world is good feeling” and good pumps.

Also running his aromasin twice a week for now. Will run bloods in 4 weeks.

I can vouch for Texas Mass, too.

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

What do you mean by “you shouldn’t be converting”? And where did you get this information?

Most of it can be found in the The Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible which is on Amazon. Has excerpts from other doctors with links to the research.

TOT Revolution on YouTube is their channel and they do weekly podcasts with 3 to 4 doctors who are the leaders in hormone optimization and talk all of this stuff in depth, backed by published research.

As for what do I mean by you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much and exhibit symptoms of high estrogen (gyno). An AI can be used to block the estrogen, but many people take it preventatively or much more than they should. There is not a single study out there that supports why any man would benefit being on an AI.

If all of this sounds like another language to you, I highly recommend you read that book cause this is like testosterone 101 stuff.

You’re on a steroid forum, get out of here with your condescending ‘101’ bullshit. You’re wrong, by the way.

I guess you don’t know how to read either. Good job.

 

[01101010]

oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I haven’t bodied someone like this online in a while, so thank you. Gets my adrenaline flowing. Lmao!!

This is easily the most insecure, cringey things I’ve read this month. But since you like studies, here’s a fun one that explains why you got all worked up writing that. The Louder the Monkey, the Smaller Its Balls
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I guess you don’t know how to read either. Good job.

Your writing is so scattered I’m not even sure what your thesis is.
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

…you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much

Seriously son, what the fuck are you even trying to say. “You shouldn’t convert, well you do but it’s only called converting when the conversion converts” My fucking two year old is more coherent than you.

I already showed you were wrong by linking a study that indicated lowering estrogen was useful. You’re definitely wrong thinking gyno is the only symptom of high estrogen worth treating, and any non-DYEL already knows you want to keep E in a medium-high range.

Stop parroting shit you’ve heard on youtube.

 

[Sparker]

01101010" pid='26527' dateline='1537914074:

oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I haven’t bodied someone like this online in a while, so thank you. Gets my adrenaline flowing. Lmao!!

This is easily the most insecure, cringey things I’ve read this month. But since you like studies, here’s a fun one that explains why you got all worked up writing that. The Louder the Monkey, the Smaller Its Balls
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I guess you don’t know how to read either. Good job.

Your writing is so scattered I’m not even sure what your thesis is.
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

…you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much

Seriously son, what the fuck are you even trying to say. “You shouldn’t convert, well you do but it’s only called converting when the conversion converts” My fucking two year old is more coherent than you.

I already showed you were wrong by linking a study that indicated lowering estrogen was useful. You’re definitely wrong thinking gyno is the only symptom of high estrogen worth treating, and any non-DYEL already knows you want to keep E in a medium-high range.

Stop parroting shit you’ve heard on youtube.

Haha don’t waste your time brother. Let him do his thing. He’s not going to get it.

 

[Unclemuscles55]

01101010" pid='26527' dateline='1537914074:

oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I haven’t bodied someone like this online in a while, so thank you. Gets my adrenaline flowing. Lmao!!

This is easily the most insecure, cringey things I’ve read this month. But since you like studies, here’s a fun one that explains why you got all worked up writing that. The Louder the Monkey, the Smaller Its Balls
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

I guess you don’t know how to read either. Good job.

Your writing is so scattered I’m not even sure what your thesis is.
oztik" pid='26523' dateline='1537909765:

…you shouldn’t be converting… you shouldn’t be converting testosterone to estrogen. The conversion happens, but it is generally referred to as converting when you convert too much

Seriously son, what the fuck are you even trying to say. “You shouldn’t convert, well you do but it’s only called converting when the conversion converts” My fucking two year old is more coherent than you.

I already showed you were wrong by linking a study that indicated lowering estrogen was useful. You’re definitely wrong thinking gyno is the only symptom of high estrogen worth treating, and any non-DYEL already knows you want to keep E in a medium-high range.

Stop parroting shit you’ve heard on youtube.

I don’t like the way he’s going about it but the book he’s quoting from is actually legit and written by well respected hrt docs. The study you provided states the following:

“Long-term efficacy and safety of the use of aromatase inhibitors has not yet been established in males, however, and their routine use is therefore not yet recommended.”

The docs he’s quoting whether from YouTube or the book tend to be in agreement with this study. Use the minimum effective dose of an ai to reduce estrogen to a level that is acceptable and then discontinue. I see it this way: If you need ai on blast that’s fine but your cruise dose should be low enough to not require ai in order to protect your long term health from uncertain consequences.

 

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Unclemuscles55" pid='26585' dateline='1537976435:

The study you provided states the following:

“Long-term efficacy and safety of the use of aromatase inhibitors has not yet been established in males, however, and their routine use is therefore not yet recommended.”

Which would be a valid point except, you know, the whole

There is not a single study out there that supports why any man would benefit being on an AI.

Recommended or not, the study clearly lays out scenarios where a man would benefit from AI usage: increasing height in growing boys, increasing test in older men without resorting to exogenous testosterone, increasing sperm count…

I mean, I’m no fancy-schmancy doctor, but that sure seems like a single study supporting why any number of men would benefit from being on an AI.
Unclemuscles55" pid='26585' dateline='1537976435:

I don’t like the way he’s going about it but the book he’s quoting from is actually legit and written by well respected hrt docs

I don’t give a shit what TRT doctors think. The op is running 500mg of test a week PLUS anavar. His test levels should be well over 2000ng/dl+ at trough levels. Does that sound like TRT to you?

Also, you shouldn’t be running an AI as a preventative measure. You’re destroying your bone mineral density. That stuff is extremely damaging. Run in small doses to address issues of gyno IF they arise, about 1 to 2 weeks then get off. You shouldn’t be converting. And if you’re taking it preventatively you’re doing a lot of damage to yourself. Take it for what it’s worth.

THIS is the wildly inaccurate statement @“oztik” made to the OP in response to his protocol of 250mg E3.5d. The average user on this board will likely be converting ~150-200ish pg/mL E2 at 500mg a week and will need to manage this, proactively, with an AI. He’s wrong. Period.

 

[Unclemuscles55]

Well, you either didn’t read what I wrote or you are purposefully strawmanning my argument. I’m not here to defend oztik. Just here to provide some well-researched info on the subject at hand. You are totally right about needing an ai on blast just like i said in the post you didn’t read. We are pretty much in agreement but you lost your way trying to win an argument. Have a good one my dude.