Low Igf-1

[dantespeak]

What would cause my igf-1 to be “low” it’s in the normal range but I’m on a hefty amount of growth and am reaping the benefits of the growth and I’ve done gh serum test on multiple kits I’ve done and they’ve all been 35+ng/mL So what gives? I’ve read that tren can cause your igf-1 be lower and I am currently running a good amount of tren ace. Help me understand

 

[AlexDavis43]

What would cause my igf-1 to be “low” it’s in the normal range but I’m on a hefty amount of growth and am reaping the benefits of the growth and I’ve done gh serum test on multiple kits I’ve done and they’ve all been 35+ng/mL So what gives? I’ve read that tren can cause your igf-1 be lower and I am currently running a good amount of tren ace. Help me understand

Tren, low cal diet (cutting), some other drugs/orals, etc.?

If good serum GH result, low IGF-1 response is a good question.

 

[dantespeak]

lol all the above tren, low cal diet, and var ed. This shit has me second guessing my entire existence right now

 

[Ruger]

IGF is a tricky animal bro the number can fluctuate throughout the day. There are a NUMBER of other contributing factors that can skew a test such as diet, glucose levels, other compounds like Tren which you said you're on. If you're liver values are higher than normal, or you're having kidney issues those 2 factors can cause that # to be "lower". Certain meds also can cause a lower # like if you're taking any glucocorticoids. Also did you treat the IGF test like a GH serum test? Whether or not you took the test first thing in the AM while fasting makes a difference as well as IGF drops throughout the day

 

[dantespeak]

IGF is a tricky animal bro the number can fluctuate throughout the day. There are a NUMBER of other contributing factors that can skew a test such as diet, glucose levels, other compounds like Tren which you said you're on. If you're liver values are higher than normal, or you're having kidney issues those 2 factors can cause that # to be "lower". Certain meds also can cause a lower # like if you're taking any glucocorticoids. Also did you treat the IGF test like a GH serum test? Whether or not you took the test first thing in the AM while fasting makes a difference as well as IGF drops throughout the day

So how does a igf-1 reading correlate to the effects the growths having on me. I’ve been on at least 4iu a day for almost 2 years and am currently on 10. I stay lean no matter what and what I really notice the effects when I cruise I just seem to keep so much more of the gains then I did prior to taking growth. I’m always full and lean it’s actually amazing I don’t think I’m ever gonna not take it god willing I don’t go broke

 

[Ruger]

So how does a igf-1 reading correlate to the effects the growths having on me. I’ve been on at least 4iu a day for almost 2 years and am currently on 10. I stay lean no matter what and what I really notice the effects when I cruise I just seem to keep so much more of the gains then I did prior to taking growth. I’m always full and lean it’s actually amazing I don’t think I’m ever gonna not take it god willing I don’t go broke

Like I said it's a difficult question to answer due to the complex nature of IGF1 as it relates to GH usage, and the multitude of contributing factors that can hold the number down. Like everything involving the body it's also not a standardized XYZ thing. You and I could run the exact same amount, and take the exact same compounds and test completely differently. 4ius of GH is a decent amount, but whether or not it's enough to significantly raise IGF1 levels is debatable. Personally I don't think it's enough to increase it very much, but that's just my own opinion on it bro.
What do your estrogen levels look like? Higher levels of estrogen also can keep IGF #s lower. You already stated that you're on Tren, and Tren definitely impedes IGF. I'd come off the Tren, and then bang away on the GH at your current dose of 10iu a day for a good 2 months, and then go back and take another look at the IGF # to see where it's at. I'd be willing to bet you that # increases (provided you don't have anything else going on medically), but even then you aren't likely to see a HUGE increase in that IGF#. When you said your IGF was "normal" what was the #? I wish I could afford to run strictly Pharm grade cuz I'd love to be able to compare generics to Pharm grade as it relates to IGF. When I first started hitting GH on a regular basis I was expecting to see my IGF # double at a min, but even at 10-15ius a day of generics the best I've been able to do is raise it by 101 points which I consider a success. Like you I've seen the benefits of staying fuller and super lean (with T4), but have been repeatedly frustrated with what at first I thought was a failure to raise IGF level, but after researching it endlessly, and many self experiments I've come to the conclusion that it's simply way, way to complex to simply point at 1 thing and say that's the problem. I won't even begin to touch on the question of impurities in the generic gh that we're buying, and whether or not those impurities (dimmers?) are causing a lack of rise in IGF cuz that's a whole other can of worms

 

[dantespeak]

Like I said it's a difficult question to answer due to the complex nature of IGF1 as it relates to GH usage, and the multitude of contributing factors that can hold the number down. Like everything involving the body it's also not a standardized XYZ thing. You and I could run the exact same amount, and take the exact same compounds and test completely differently. 4ius of GH is a decent amount, but whether or not it's enough to significantly raise IGF1 levels is debatable. Personally I don't think it's enough to increase it very much, but that's just my own opinion on it bro.
What do your estrogen levels look like? Higher levels of estrogen also can keep IGF #s lower. You already stated that you're on Tren, and Tren definitely impedes IGF. I'd come off the Tren, and then bang away on the GH at your current dose of 10iu a day for a good 2 months, and then go back and take another look at the IGF # to see where it's at. I'd be willing to bet you that # increases (provided you don't have anything else going on medically), but even then you aren't likely to see a HUGE increase in that IGF#. When you said your IGF was "normal" what was the #? I wish I could afford to run strictly Pharm grade cuz I'd love to be able to compare generics to Pharm grade as it relates to IGF. When I first started hitting GH on a regular basis I was expecting to see my IGF # double at a min, but even at 10-15ius a day of generics the best I've been able to do is raise it by 101 points which I consider a success. Like you I've seen the benefits of staying fuller and super lean (with T4), but have been repeatedly frustrated with what at first I thought was a failure to raise IGF level, but after researching it endlessly, and many self experiments I've come to the conclusion that it's simply way, way to complex to simply point at 1 thing and say that's the problem. I won't even begin to touch on the question of impurities in the generic gh that we're buying, and whether or not those impurities (dimmers?) are causing a lack of rise in IGF cuz that's a whole other can of worms

Yeah that’s true I mean I guess at the end of the day if it’s clearly working for me I don’t give two shits about what my igf-1 number is. I think I wanted it to be high just for some weird type of ego boost or something honestly idea. I did just do a full panel too and my estrogen was high but I’m not experiencing any sides and feel good so said fuck it and kept it moving

 

[Bigdovis2]

Why not just lower the GH dose and pin igf1 instead

 

[dantespeak]

Why not just lower the GH dose and pin igf1 instead

I mean I’m extremely happy with what the hgh is doing it’s extremely evident that it’s changed my body composition 10 fold. I was just curious as to why my igf-1 wasn’t at least out of range being high. There clearly isn’t any correlation between the growth being legit and working and a high igf-1 number. Like to where if I was blasting 1000mg of test and my total test was 1200 there would be an issue with that but not with this. Idk that’s what I seems like to me any how.