Lab results questions

[FknA]

First post. Hoping someone can look at these and decipher them a bit with me.
Test seems crazy low.
I did a 6 week run of sarms LGD 4033 10mg/ed Osterine 25mg/ed.(could have been some BS but nobody has given negative feedback on company that I know of)
These labs were done on the last day of the 6 weeks and I just got them back a week later. Ever see results like this after a short Sarm run?
I have not noticed any issues other than low libido but I can still perform fully. Strength is still up and still able to lift hard 6 days/wk so far.
Am I reading these correctly? With total test that low wouldn’t I see extreme fatigue and strength loss right away?
Hoping to get straight so I can toss the sarms and do a test cycle.
Would I wait 6-8 weeks and test again to see where I’m at before trying a test only run?

I’m 40yrs old 5’10" 250lbs 25%bf (dexa)

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.3 NORMAL 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL 01
RBC 3.97 LOW 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL 01
Hemoglobin 11.9 LOW 13.0-17.7 g/dL 01
Hematocrit 36.0 LOW 37.5-51.0 % 01
MCV 91 NORMAL 79-97 fL 01
MCH 30.0 NORMAL 26.6-33.0 pg 01
MCHC 33.1 NORMAL 31.5-35.7 g/dL 01
RDW 13.5 NORMAL 12.3-15.4 % 01
Platelets 273 NORMAL 150-379 x10E3/uL 01
Effective May 20, 2019 the reference interval for
Platelets will be changing to:
0 - 7 d 140 - 396 x10E3/uL
8 - 30 d 139 - 531 x10E3/uL
31 d - 999 yrs 150 - 450 x10E3/uL
Neutrophils 61 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Lymphs 23 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Monocytes 12 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Eos 4 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Basos 0 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.2 NORMAL 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.2 NORMAL 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.6 NORMAL 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 NORMAL 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 NORMAL 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 NORMAL Not Estab. % 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 NORMAL 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL 01
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose 89 NORMAL 65-99 mg/dL 01
BUN 21 NORMAL 6-24 mg/dL 01
Creatinine 0.80 NORMAL 0.76-1.27 mg/dL 01
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 112 NORMAL >59 mL/min/1.73 01
eGFR If Africn Am 129 NORMAL >59 mL/min/1.73 01
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 26 HIGH 9-20 01
Sodium 139 NORMAL 134-144 mmol/L 01
Potassium 4.2 NORMAL 3.5-5.2 mmol/L 01
Chloride 102 NORMAL 96-106 mmol/L 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 20 NORMAL 20-29 mmol/L 01
Calcium 9.3 NORMAL 8.7-10.2 mg/dL 01
Protein, Total 6.6 NORMAL 6.0-8.5 g/dL 01
Albumin 4.1 NORMAL 3.5-5.5 g/dL 01
Globulin, Total 2.5 NORMAL 1.5-4.5 g/dL 01
A/G Ratio 1.6 NORMAL 1.2-2.2 01
Bilirubin, Total 0.3 NORMAL 0.0-1.2 mg/dL 01
Alkaline Phosphatase 65 NORMAL 39-117 IU/L 01
AST (SGOT) 38 NORMAL 0-40 IU/L 01
ALT (SGPT) 35 NORMAL 0-44 IU/L 01
Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 95 LOW 100-199 mg/dL 01
Triglycerides 83 NORMAL 0-149 mg/dL 01
HDL Cholesterol 30 LOW >39 mg/dL 01
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 17 NORMAL 5-40 mg/dL 01
LDL Cholesterol Calc 48 NORMAL 0-99 mg/dL 01
Thyroid Panel With TSH
TSH 1.640 NORMAL 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL 01
Thyroxine (T4) 6.3 NORMAL 4.5-12.0 ug/dL 01
T3 Uptake 30 NORMAL 24-39 % 01
Free Thyroxine Index 1.9 NORMAL 1.2-4.9 01
Testosterone, Free+Total LC/MS
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 8.7 LOW 264.0-916.0 ng/dL 02
Free Testosterone(Direct) 2.3 LOW 6.8-21.5 pg/mL 02
Estradiol
Estradiol 7.9 NORMAL 7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01
Roche ECLIA methodology
IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 344 HIGH 83-233 ng/mL 03

 

[beefnewton]

I have to wonder if those TT and FT values are just bad labs… but then your E2 is low, too. Wonder what your DHT looks like. I don’t know how you’re doing it. When my natural levels fell beneath 100 (TT), even taking a shower got me out of breath. I don’t see how you’d be standing, let alone able to still lift and lift hard, with TT and FT values like that. I can’t speak about the SARM’s, though. You also look slightly on the edge of low iron/ferritin based on your blood chemistry. Did you donate blood recently? RBC stats look pretty good, so it’s not been that way long. May be just an anomaly… or normal for you.

 

[TakedaFifth]

Ouch. You look shutdown hard. I would think you feel horrible.

Would be nice to have LH/FSH but that will probably be ~0 anyway.

You are a touch anemic. I think that would be unrelated.

What are you eating? Super low fat?

Any other supplement or prior hormones/peds? Prior bloodwork/baseline TotalT?

 

[FknA]

Have not donated any blood.
No prior peds of any kind.
I eat 40/20/40 protein/fat/carbs around 3200 cal/day on average.
I also wish I had a base blood test to go off but jumped in without it thinking a 6 week sarm cycle would be mild based on reading anecdotes.

 

[TakedaFifth]

If you don’t want to start now I would probably do some sort of restart protocol, butyou will shutdown again anyway when you start test. You would be off/on/off/on and have to PCT twice. I would probably get some test in my ass if I was already shutdown anyway. Get LH/FSH next time.

 

[FknA]

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I have to wonder if those TT and FT values are just bad labs… but then your E2 is low, too. Wonder what your DHT looks like. I don’t know how you’re doing it. When my natural levels fell beneath 100 (TT), even taking a shower got me out of breath. I don’t see how you’d be standing, let alone able to still lift and lift hard, with TT and FT values like that. I can’t speak about the SARM’s, though. You also look slightly on the edge of low iron/ferritin based on your blood chemistry. Did you donate blood recently? RBC stats look pretty good, so it’s not been that way long. May be just an anomaly… or normal for you.

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If you don’t want to start now I would probably do some sort of restart protocol, butyou will shutdown again anyway when you start test. You would be off/on/off/on and have to PCT twice. I would probably get some test in my ass if I was already shutdown anyway. Get LH/FSH next time.

That makes sense. I have test e on hand. I will start up and get tested again in 6-7 weeks. Thanks

 

[TeddySwolesevelt]

SARMS are definitely known to shut down natty test production. Ostarine wouldn’t be so bad solo but the LDG for sure. As far as when to start test, it kind of depends. You could try to recover from being shut down to see your levels before hopping on which might be beneficial if you plan on PCTing. If you are going to B&C or be on TRT it really doesn’t matter, and you’d feel a lot better with in-range T and E2 levels, IMO.

 

[alphaproject]

“SARMs also come with many of the same risks, drawbacks, and side effects as steroids such as reduced natural testosterone production” Yep. Depends on which ones you take but certainly there are some that can shut you down and other peptides that won’t. That LGD 4033 can shut down natural levels.

“I have seen instances where people did require a PCT with Ostarine. They experienced low testosterone symptoms which means they required a Post cycle therapy. A good PCT protocol will help recover the body’s natural hormone production. Often Nolvadex or Clomid is used.”

I know this is a steroid forum mainly but if you do a short PCT, maybe just 1 to 2 weeks then get bloods you could see if it even helps. This at least would rule out a few things. If you just hop on test… you won’t ever know wtf happened. 3 weeks is the standard protocol but you weren’t on TRT ot anything so I assume you could do less PCT just to see… I really don’t know. My buddy is about to start his PCT after a long cruise. He probably should get bloodwork but he’s strapped for cash so he probably won’t but he certainly should after.