Just curious about…

[PrimalPrimate]

How many of us primates would be interested in an Dihydrotestosterone transdermal lotion because for whatever reason it’s not something easily found?…so I’m just wondering why sources don’t tend to carry it?

I understand because Drostanolone is more anabolic than stanolone, but from what I’ve researched, applying exogenous DHT seems to be novel. Anecdotally speaking there’s plenty of positive end user experiences, and easily available base/ resourceful fundamental information on its pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, in which all of it seems very indicative proving the pharmacological & biological effects are worth administering the compound.

Specifically, in the use as a preworkout, or as a base along side testosterone, it seems positively effective and much more logical then what’s typical PED use.

I’m really baffled at how there’s so much efficacy proving the use of exogenous dihydrotestosterone, even in a TRT application as well, but we’re not here for TRT! Buwhahahaha!

Anyway, my questions are, what’s the reason for the stigma around using Stanolone? And how many of you would order it if sources carried it? I feel like if there’s a showcasing of a demand the sources of course will supply it.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

There's a guy on Reddit Alphagels that sells it... But yeah I'm curious about why so few people sell it. Maybe it's just annoying to make transdermals

 

[PrimalPrimate]

There's a guy on Reddit Alphagels that sells it... But yeah I'm curious about why so few people sell it. Maybe it's just annoying to make transdermals

Yes, I’ve heard of alpha before, but I don’t think they ship domestic which is a bummer. And it’s not difficult at all, I’d say it’s just easy as making orals, I’d tend to think so anyway, not too entirely sure on that. I’ve heard even the injectable depot version is very potent and positively unique when compared to other milder AAS that are derivatives of dht like methenolone. But also hold some interesting physiological effects that don’t seem to be comparable to any AAS depots, specifically the hardness and vascularity injectable DHT provides. To me, it just seems like it’s a viable and maybe even necessary compound to have in each cycle, at least as a base, no different than how testosterone is used in every cycle, even as a base too. I feel like it just makes sense to use. And plus it gives a dick quality that no other compound seems to give. So there’s really no debating it anymore at that point.

 

[petefox]

There is a place that sells their own DHT cream, and another that has Andractim branded DHT cream but it's expensive and shipping for it is extra.

I'll see if I saved the Andractim site if anyone were interested, I just don't want to post in the open since they're not a source here.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

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There is a place that sells their own DHT cream, and another that has Andractim branded DHT cream but it's expensive and shipping for it is extra.

I'll see if I saved the Andractim site if anyone were interested, I just don't want to post in the open since they're not a source here.

Posting a non source here shouldn't be an issue? Or has this place died in freedom and operate like a Mafia like all the other sites?

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

Yes, I’ve heard of alpha before, but I don’t think they ship domestic which is a bummer. And it’s not difficult at all, I’d say it’s just easy as making orals, I’d tend to think so anyway, not too entirely sure on that. I’ve heard even the injectable depot version is very potent and positively unique when compared to other milder AAS that are derivatives of dht like methenolone. But also hold some interesting physiological effects that don’t seem to be comparable to any AAS depots, specifically the hardness and vascularity injectable DHT provides. To me, it just seems like it’s a viable and maybe even necessary compound to have in each cycle, at least as a base, no different than how testosterone is used in every cycle, even as a base too. I feel like it just makes sense to use. And plus it gives a dick quality that no other compound seems to give. So there’s really no debating it anymore at that point.

Yeah the few guys that made their own injectable LOVED it for strength, not really gonna put muscle on you, but will make you dry... It's just really never been popular, I've been in this game for about 12 years now too. There's just better compounds out there that are cheaper and multitask... Still though I want to at least try it myself, gotta try everything once.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

Yes, I’ve heard of alpha before, but I don’t think they ship domestic which is a bummer. And it’s not difficult at all, I’d say it’s just easy as making orals, I’d tend to think so anyway, not too entirely sure on that. I’ve heard even the injectable depot version is very potent and positively unique when compared to other milder AAS that are derivatives of dht like methenolone. But also hold some interesting physiological effects that don’t seem to be comparable to any AAS depots, specifically the hardness and vascularity injectable DHT provides. To me, it just seems like it’s a viable and maybe even necessary compound to have in each cycle, at least as a base, no different than how testosterone is used in every cycle, even as a base too. I feel like it just makes sense to use. And plus it gives a dick quality that no other compound seems to give. So there’s really no debating it anymore at that point.

Oh, also Alpha is Australia based and ships to the US and all over the world

 

[petefox]

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Posting a non source here shouldn't be an issue? Or has this place died in freedom and operate like a Mafia like all the other sites?

It's more an etiquette thing with me, but the site is pctmart.com. I'm probably going to get raw DHT and brew my own pre-workout base injectable.

 

[PrimalPrimate]

There is a place that sells their own DHT cream, and another that has Andractim branded DHT cream but it's expensive and shipping for it is extra.

I'll see if I saved the Andractim site if anyone were interested, I just don't want to post in the open since they're not a source here.

The thing that stinks about Andractim is that it’s only 2.5% bioavailable DHT in concentration. Which isn’t much. Still effective, but nothing too gnarly when compared to much higher dosage concentrations. And I don’t think it would be a problem if you posted a non-board source, just don’t advertise them against on-board sources. Someone recently made a post in the source reviews thread sharing a non-board source, and it hasn’t been taken down…so…I guess it shouldn’t matter if there’s a rhyme for reason. No current sources on the board carry it. So, if you politely shared the source that does carry it I don’t see any reason why the mods would advise against it. Worst thing that happens is I’m wrong and the mods remove your post. No harm. No foul. I say test the waters and give it a go! If you find the site drop the info!

 

[PrimalPrimate]

Oh, also Alpha is Australia based and ships to the US and all over the world

Yes, but it would be far better to have a domestic source carry it.

 

[PrimalPrimate]

It's more an etiquette thing with me, but the site is pctmart.com. I'm probably going to get raw DHT and brew my own pre-workout base injectable.

Ah yes, I’m familiar with that site, but they charge a significant amount of money for it. Crafting up your own concoction would be the way to go. If you made it into an injectable would you attach an ester to it?

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

It's more an etiquette thing with me, but the site is pctmart.com. I'm probably going to get raw DHT and brew my own pre-workout base injectable.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah I've seen pctmart, not yet used them as I'm still partial to aipctshop lol been using them for years. I was tempted by their DHT cream until I finally emailed Alphagels and got pricing on his 10 and 20 percent cream.

I've got too many things lying around right now though to be able to justify buying any lol

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

If you made it into an injectable would you attach an ester to it?

If your a biochemist with a lab for doing something like that sure LOL otherwise if you want estered DHT you'll have to buy it that way

 

[PrimalPrimate]

Ah, gotcha. Yeah I've seen pctmart, not yet used them as I'm still partial to aipctshop lol been using them for years. I was tempted by their DHT cream until I finally emailed Alphagels and got pricing on his 10 and 20 percent cream.

I've got too many things lying around right now though to be able to justify buying any lol

I didn’t know aipct sold dht cream. Good things is all I tend to hear about alpha, they seem to be helping lots of people. Use the two many things so they’re not lying around and get some dht cream! Buwhahaha!

 

[PrimalPrimate]

If your a biochemist with a lab for doing something like that sure LOL otherwise if you want estered DHT you'll have to buy it that way

From what I’ve seen from what others state in their experiences is DHT seems to only be available in its pure form with no ester attached to it.

You definitely need to have some level of knowledge in its molecular synthesis, but I don’t think a full on lab is necessary for it.

Adding an ester to it isn’t too complicated of a process I would tend to imagine. Probably more of a time consuming thing than anything else. Not entirely sure though. I’m just thinking so because almost all AAS are attached with a variety of esters. So many so that it’s actually odd to come across one that isn’t attached with an ester. So I would tend to think it can’t be to too complicated of a process with all that in mind. Plus, injecting it without an ester is going to probably give some gnarly pip.

If I’m not mistaken the active half life isn’t all that long either unless attached with an ester, but it’s entirely possible I’m mixing that up with another compound.

Either way though, for a pre workout utility, its purpose is served without the need of an ester. Even if it does mean also having a much shorter active half life.

In all actuality, for a pre workout, you would probably want to administer it without any ester attached to it because its effects would be much more potent. And have a noticeable acceleration in titration of its performance enhancing effects too. You’ll reach peak blood concentration levels significantly quicker.

And so you’re going to achieve the desired peak in your performance optimization much faster. Which in turn just so happens to make your training sessions remarkably improved; as its in direct and immediate correspondence with how much faster your body is metabolizing it without the ester attached to it.

The ester is attached to it to slow its absorption rate down. Significantly enough so that depending on the ester attached the absorption rate can be anywhere over the course from a day to a week give or take. Rather than without an ester attached where that time is cut to that very hour or so.

Again, it’s entirely possible I’m mixing up compounds here, but still speaking from molecular chemistry lens, no ester means much faster peak blood concentration levels of the compound.

And so with that in mind, simply because the pip might be something to white-knuckle from later on, I think using it without the ester as transdermal lotion instead is probably the way to go in terms of it being used as a pre workout. The bioavailability wouldn’t be much different than a depot…I don’t think so anyway…especially if you constitute it in DMSO or phlogel.

Above and beyond all if you do happen to be injecting it I think it would be something great to log for us performance enhancing dorks on the board. For sure it would be something interesting to geek out on. Plus, I’ve never injected it, and never thought about injecting it without an ester until now, and so I’m curious.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

I didn’t know aipct sold dht cream. Good things is all I tend to hear about alpha, they seem to be helping lots of people. Use the two many things so they’re not lying around and get some dht cream! Buwhahaha!

They used to a long time ago, not sure if they still do... I am I am! I just started a 12 week cycle of epi yesterday so that should get rid of some of it. Then I've got some old Sdrol I need to work through, probably 8 weeks of that stuff left. THEN I'll mess with the cream, end of the year maybe.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

Tha

From what I’ve seen from what others state in their experiences is DHT seems to only be available in its pure form with no ester attached to it.

You definitely need to have some level of knowledge in its molecular synthesis, but I don’t think a full on lab is necessary for it.

Adding an ester to it isn’t too complicated of a process I would tend to imagine. Probably more of a time consuming thing than anything else. Not entirely sure though. I’m just thinking so because almost all AAS are attached with a variety of esters. So many so that it’s actually odd to come across one that isn’t attached with an ester. So I would tend to think it can’t be to too complicated of a process with all that in mind. Plus, injecting it without an ester is going to probably give some gnarly pip.

If I’m not mistaken the active half life isn’t all that long either unless attached with an ester, but it’s entirely possible I’m mixing that up with another compound.

Either way though, for a pre workout utility, its purpose is served without the need of an ester. Even if it does mean also having a much shorter active half life.

In all actuality, for a pre workout, you would probably want to administer it without any ester attached to it because its effects would be much more potent. And have a noticeable acceleration in titration of its performance enhancing effects too. You’ll reach peak blood concentration levels significantly quicker.

And so you’re going to achieve the desired peak in your performance optimization much faster. Which in turn just so happens to make your training sessions remarkably improved; as its in direct and immediate correspondence with how much faster your body is metabolizing it without the ester attached to it.

The ester is attached to it to slow its absorption rate down. Significantly enough so that depending on the ester attached the absorption rate can be anywhere over the course from a day to a week give or take. Rather than without an ester attached where that time is cut to that very hour or so.

Again, it’s entirely possible I’m mixing up compounds here, but still speaking from molecular chemistry lens, no ester means much faster peak blood concentration levels of the compound.

And so with that in mind, simply because the pip might be something to white-knuckle from later on, I think using it without the ester as transdermal lotion instead is probably the way to go in terms of it being used as a pre workout. The bioavailability wouldn’t be much different than a depot…I don’t think so anyway…especially if you constitute it in DMSO or phlogel.

Above and beyond all if you do happen to be injecting it I think it would be something great to log for us performance enhancing dorks on the board. For sure it would be something interesting to geek out on. Plus, I’ve never injected it, and never thought about injecting it without an ester until now, and so I’m curious.

That was a lot of words to say "idk probably, I don't really know what I'm doing" LOL. If you don't think you need a full on lab to perform molecular bonding to other molecules,.... Idk what to tell you.

 

[PrimalPrimate]

Tha

That was a lot of words to say "idk probably, I don't really know what I'm doing" LOL. If you don't think you need a full on lab to perform molecular bonding to other molecules,.... Idk what to tell you.

What you just said is like saying, if you don’t think you need a full on gas station to fuel up your car with gasoline…idk what to tell you.

Molecular bonding involves mixing chemicals, basically. You don’t need some full on lab to do it. You need to have something that regulates temperature, something that can handle temperature regulation without compromising its structural integrity, and at least two chemicals that will cause a reaction when mixed. That’s pretty much it.

Esterification (adding an ester to a hormone for injecting) is simply a chemical reaction that involves the reaction of an alcohol with a carboxylic acid to form an ester (two chemicals that cause a reaction together) as mentioned in a previous comment, esterification is used to increase the stability and duration of the hormone in the body to improve its physiological effects.

Here’s how simple this type of molecular bonding is and why you don’t need a full on lab to complete it.

Here's a simple to follow step-by-step basic overview of the entire esterification process:

1. First, the hormone is dissolved in a solvent, such as benzyl alcohol or benzyl benzoate. The solvent helps to dissolve the hormone and ensures that it is evenly distributed throughout the solution.
2. Next, a carboxylic acid is added to the solution. The carboxylic acid should be chosen carefully to ensure that it will react with the hormone to form a stable ester.
3. A catalyst is then added to the solution to facilitate the esterification reaction. The most commonly used catalyst is dicyclohexylcarbodiimide (DCC), which helps to activate the carboxylic acid and promote the reaction.
4. The solution is then heated and stirred for a period of time to allow the esterification reaction to take place. The reaction time will depend on the specific hormone and carboxylic acid being used.
5. Once the esterification reaction is complete, the solution is cooled and purified to remove any impurities or unreacted materials.
6. The resulting solution contains the hormone ester, which can be used for injection.

The purification phase is arguably the most important in the entire process, and even so you still aren’t required to have a full on lab set up. And here’s why:

Purification is simply removing any impurities or unreacted materials that may be present in the hormone ester solution that obviously you don’t want to inject into you. There’s no one way to achieve this. There’s a few ways. Here are some common purification methods that may be used:

1. Filtration: The hormone ester solution can be filtered through a filter paper or a membrane to remove any solid impurities or undissolved particles.
2. Extraction: The hormone ester solution can be extracted with a solvent to remove any impurities that are soluble in the solvent. The solvent is then separated from the hormone ester solution.
3. Distillation: The hormone ester solution can be distilled to separate the hormone ester from any impurities that have a different boiling point.
4. Chromatography: Chromatography is a separation technique that involves passing the hormone ester solution through a column containing a stationary phase that interacts differently with the hormone ester and impurities. The hormone ester and impurities are separated based on their differential interactions with the stationary phase.
5. Crystallization: The hormone ester solution can be cooled or evaporated to form crystals of the hormone ester, which can then be separated from any impurities that do not form crystals.

Keep in mind this a very basic overview as the specific purification method used will depend on the specific hormone ester and impurities present in the solution, as well as the equipment and resources available (no…this doesn’t mean you need a full on lab. It simply means you need some basic equipment and depending on the process you go with. It would be likely you have all the equipment you need already in your kitchen.)

I included two purification methods on that list: Distillation and Chromatography because they’re a common practice, but those would involve a more dynamic set up more suitable for a “full on lab” but even so it’s not necessary. Above and beyond all, you basically just need a kitchen. A stove. A microwave. Something that can handle the heat and cooling. And some coffee filters.

You know what…? Just because I like saying so much, just to say something so little…I’ma go a step further for you here and provide a shopping list for the methods of purification I listed above to prove how basic the process of molecular bonding can be—in the context of esterification— showcasing it doesn’t require a “full on lab” set up like one may tend to think.

Here’s the shopping list of goodies for the purification methods I shared:

1. Filtration:

• Filter paper or membrane
• Filter funnel
• Vacuum pump or vacuum filtration system

1. Extraction:

• Solvent (e.g. ethyl acetate, dichloromethane, hexane)
• Separatory funnel
• Rotary evaporator or other evaporation equipment

1. Distillation:

• Distillation apparatus (e.g. simple distillation, fractional distillation)
• Heat source (e.g. heating mantle, hot plate)
• Thermometer

1. Chromatography:

• Column (e.g. glass, plastic)
• Stationary phase (e.g. silica gel, reversed-phase C18)
• Solvent(s) for mobile phase
• Syringe or pump for sample injection
• UV detector or other detection equipment

1. Crystallization:

• Solvent (e.g. ethanol, acetone)
• Glassware (e.g. beakers, flasks, stirring rod)
• Hot plate or other heating equipment
• Thermometer

As I mentioned prior you basically just need a kitchen. A stove. A microwave. Something that can handle the heat and cooling. And some coffee filters. Your standard kitchen set up is a “full on lab” in a nutshell.

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

No

What you just said is like saying, if you don’t think you need a full on gas station to fuel up your car with gasoline…idk what to tell you.

Molecular bonding involves mixing chemicals, basically. You don’t need some full on lab to do it. You need to have something that regulates temperature, something that can handle temperature regulation without compromising its structural integrity, and at least two chemicals that will cause a reaction when mixed. That’s pretty much it.

No, it's like saying you can't make gasoline in your garage without specialty equipment and a specific knowledge base...

 

[SteveO]

I wish one of our sources would carry it