Insulin support

[WeakPiggy]

I posted this on Meso, I didnt come here looking for "the answer I want" just simply widening the chances of infromation

I was looking for post on insulin support while running slin, I didnt see any. My question is, Ive ran lantus and humalog before, and TO ME, it wasnt "worth it". I never got the "pumps" people talked about while running slin. My main source of carbs while running slin were white potato, I would eat my meal at the gym, go to the bathroom and pin my slin and lift. I would have intra carbs too, to cover anything. I never got a pump, never felt different besides the two times I started going hypo. I was watching an interview, and they mentioned, "not having your electrolytes while running slin" So Im assuming that is possible where I messed up at? I dont need ratio/carb, intra carb suggestions, etc. I would just like to know, if I should supplement, MORE salt, potassium, magnesium intra? Just background info, I dont really get pumps with or without slin. I drink probably 1.5g of fluid a day, urine is almost 90% clear, I'm a heavy sweatier, which is why the liquids are high. Thanks in advance!! If I missed a link to this already, please link it!

 

[BBBG]

You didn’t provide enough information.

Height/weight?
Age and number of years training?
Goal?
How much insulin you ran?
What else were you using?
Etc. (the more info the better)

Why is “the pump” so important to you?

 

[WeakPiggy]

thanks for the reply

weight would have been 220-230lbs
age is 30 y.o. and number of years training is 4yrs enhanced, was training prior but life happen and stopped, but that was probably only 3 years.
its been a year or so since i ran slin. I dont remember my exact cycle at the time, but if i had to guess it would be 500 test c and 350 npp weekly, 40mg telm daily
the goal is to simply use every pathway to grow, not open bodybuilder size but cbum size, i know those are elite genetics but you said goal
i was running 10iu lantus 1x daily with 12iu rapid. my food at the time, its been a year, but was some amount of potato and intra carb then post potato. i maxed my slin use to my current diet, which is why the number might be weird. i went to 15-18iu but started going hypo so i backed off.
the pump isnt important, but from what ive been told and read, its what pump are equating to slin use
my training method at the time was just ppl/2xweek with max reps at like 15. so i wasnt doing a pump of "pump style lifts like milos"
water intake was 2gallons, im an extremely heavy sweater, sodium was added per meal pink sea salt
main protein sources were just chicken breast, ground beef, egg/egg white
was taking a scope of creatine, intra carb, eaa, with sea salt

i just got labs pulled today, assuming im healthy, im going to start back and add slin and do a better job logging and monitoring my slin use, this will be for a bulk using rapid only pre meal besides breakfast and two post training meals. this current week im just going to do a dry run, monitor b.g. all day and eat my meals and see how my bg reacts with my g.e. happening between meals. once i get an idea of how im reacting to the carbs, ill introduce the slin at low dose and monitor bg and up the slin till the bg is in a doable range. i dont think ill do pre/post slin. i train at night so my "pre wo slin" will be my last shot, then ill have 4hr prior to sleep, ill have two additional meals between then.

this cycle, assuming health allows it, will be, t.c. 1g, boldenone cyp 1g and mast to help with any e2 and slin to match the diet, and gh. obviously ill run telm and probably a statin, unless someone has a better idea. will stay up on my cardio, for heart health. hmc health etc

 

[dick_starbuck]

What is your BF%?

If you're lean you're going to have a better response to insulin.

Also how many grams of carbs are you eating a day? You probably don't need insulin at all.

Also 10iu lantus is next to nothing so it's no surprise you didn't see much from it.

 

[tfs69]

Find your HOMA IR score by testing your fasting insulin and fasting blood glucose and then googling the calculation depending on the scale your lab work provider uses.

No guarantee this is the solution, but the more insulin sensitive you are, generally the better the pump with or with insulin.

 

[WeakPiggy]

What is your BF%?

If you're lean you're going to have a better response to insulin.

Also how many grams of carbs are you eating a day? You probably don't need insulin at all.

Also 10iu lantus is next to nothing so it's no surprise you didn't see much from it.

Find your HOMA IR score by testing your fasting insulin and fasting blood glucose and then googling the calculation depending on the scale your lab work provider uses.

No guarantee this is the solution, but the more insulin sensitive you are, generally the better the pump with or with insulin.

thanks for the reply. my fasted bg would be 80-100 just depending on pre bed meal and hydration in the morning. my a1c was 4.8.
carbs per meal back then, i just dont simply remember, but i think it was 200g red potato pre w.o. with hbcd intra and 200g red potato after the w.o.
my abs are visible but im not stage ready. happy to post pics but idk my bf%

thanks for the HOMA IR score. will look into that.
im currently running fast acting slin, with 430g DAILY total carbs with add sodium and potassium per wo meal. the pump are better. up 3lbs in under a week with the carbs, gh, and slin. i average 12-20k steps a day. i walk post meal 2x daily and doing cardio 3x a wk. can keep this active or just let it die off

 

[dick_starbuck]

thanks for the reply. my fasted bg would be 80-100 just depending on pre bed meal and hydration in the morning. my a1c was 4.8.
carbs per meal back then, i just dont simply remember, but i think it was 200g red potato pre w.o. with hbcd intra and 200g red potato after the w.o.
my abs are visible but im not stage ready. happy to post pics but idk my bf%

thanks for the HOMA IR score. will look into that.
im currently running fast acting slin, with 430g DAILY total carbs with add sodium and potassium per wo meal. the pump are better. up 3lbs in under a week with the carbs, gh, and slin. i average 12-20k steps a day. i walk post meal 2x daily and doing cardio 3x a wk. can keep this active or just let it die off

Bro you're eating 430g carbs a day? You do not need insulin at all. Now double that to 860g carbs a day? Now we are talking.

200g of potatoes isn't enough carbs to really get the effects of insulin either.

You're really just not eating enough carbs or using enough insulin in order to get much from it. If I was in your position I just wouldn't worry about it.

 

[WeakPiggy]

Bro you're eating 430g carbs a day? You do not need insulin at all. Now double that to 860g carbs a day? Now we are talking.

200g of potatoes isn't enough carbs to really get the effects of insulin either.

You're really just not eating enough carbs or using enough insulin in order to get much from it. If I was in your position I just wouldn't worry about it.

im not arguing with you over this, just expressing my side and view point.

whats the point of insulin in bodybuilding world? to drive everything into the cells correct? so why couldnt i just run low dose slin to ensure everything is going to my cell. if i eat, and 2hr later my bg is still elevated at 100+, then i have "food floating in my blood stream" which will ultimately get pissed out vs storing?

i simply dont understand the logic behind, running grams of gear, not a big deal, running half the dose and implementing slin to push the same results, is such a negative thing? like saying if youre not running 2g test, dont run anything at all.

please explain your view point?

thanks for your replies. none are ignored!

 

[BBBG]

You’re right, you CAN run insulin but you should also consider do you NEED to run insulin.

430 grams of carbs is upper normal level. I would question my insulin sensitivity if I ate that and still had elevated bg levels 2 hours later. Do you NEED to ingest twice as much carbs. It’s not a matter of taking it and watching it work its magic arbitrarily. Insulin works well and a lot of guys take it simply so their body catches up to the amount of food that they are eating, giving their pancreas a break. It’s usually not the other way around. If you’re pissing out higher than normal levels of protein or sugar you have some issues. Go see a doctor.

I think you may be oversimplifying this. Do a little more reading and you’ll see why @dick_starbuck is saying what he’s saying.

 

[dick_starbuck]

im not arguing with you over this, just expressing my side and view point.

whats the point of insulin in bodybuilding world? to drive everything into the cells correct? so why couldnt i just run low dose slin to ensure everything is going to my cell. if i eat, and 2hr later my bg is still elevated at 100+, then i have "food floating in my blood stream" which will ultimately get pissed out vs storing?

i simply dont understand the logic behind, running grams of gear, not a big deal, running half the dose and implementing slin to push the same results, is such a negative thing? like saying if youre not running 2g test, dont run anything at all.

please explain your view point?

thanks for your replies. none are ignored!

Realistically speaking, your endogenous insulin should be MORE than enough for 430g of carbs a day. If it isn't, you may have some issues. If you still have elevated BG that far from a meal, you may have some issues. I would consider some diagnostic bloodwork and an evaluation of your diet, training, and lifestyle. That may be an indicator of some metabolic issues.

Yes we as bodybuilders use insulin for a few reasons. Shuttling nutrients sure, but generally speaking we do this when our endogenous insulin is not sufficient for the task. We may also use it to supplant our natural production to prevent pancreas beta cell burn out, as a profalactic against creating type 2 diabetes, especially when using exogenous HGH in higher doses.

You COULD use it at any time to match your carbohydrate intake, but you should evaluate why. You're not going to see the results that I think you're hoping for. Currently I am not eating much carbs (only 600-700g a day) and using lantus and novolin R to match this (20iu lantus 1x a day, 10iu novolin r 2x a day). My endogenous production could handle this for a while but I'm trying to prevent stress on my pancreas. I'm also trying to experiment and see if I can grow and stay as lean as possible while leveraging insulin for this purpose.