HGH and t400 cycle help

[bayern]

Hello I'm 33y.o 5'9" 140, I have been off work for torn ligaments in my si joint and a torn longissismous(back muscle) I did PRP therapy for 6 months for it and the ligaments are back together through the process of scarring so I need to break the scar tissue down and get my ligaments more mobile.

(My main goals are to continue to help my ligaments heal and put on some muscle mass)

My plan is to run hgh for 1 1/2 - 2 months started at 2 iu slowly bringing it up to 5ius a day. (And continuing for 6 months total)
Once I've been on hgh for around 2months I plan on adding t400 at a dosage of 200-300mg a week(I have low testosterone but my levels are right on the border and doctors wont help me) so I don't think I need a great deal of test to get the results I'm after.

Once on test I plan on taking HCG 350-500ius twice weekly. (Also am debating on taking something for estrogen lvls but dont know if its necessary?)

Open to any criticism or tips.

The main thing I would like help with is my PCT.

Would a supplement be sufficient like DIM?
Or do I need nolvadex and clomid?

Any help will be much app

 

[Trick_or_tren1014]

Hey what’s upbro. First I want to say hope recovery for torn lig gets better .

First cycle I always recommend 250 - 300 test to start because we can always go up and it’s good to see how your body feels first time on it . For oils , i always recommend pinning 2-3 days a week instead of one big dose . So example Monday - wensday - Friday you pin 100 test each day for a total of 300 a week. Personally I have much better labs with more smaller injections and feel better . Don’t use a AI unless you need to. Yes of course it’s good to have one on hand if needed , but only use if you need it. We need estrogen to grow and function . NEVER CRASH ESTROGEN, you feel awful.

Hgh is all about consistency and long term . A good example would be this - say you have 100ius, I rather you take 2ius a day for 50 days then 5 ius a day for 20 days.
Best times to take Hgh is when you wake up on empty stomach , post workout , or before bed. When I take Hgh I always make sure I haven’t ate anything for 90 minutes and I wait 30 min after injection before I eat. That’s me and what I do and works awesome for me .


Post cycle - tamoxifen, clomid , hcg and hmg, gonadorlin . All those work great. Before you start pct make sure you haven’t injected any test for 7-9 days. Let it clear out of body a good amount before starting pct. 4-6 weeks on pct

You can take hcg, hmg, and gonadorlin on cycle if you want .

 

[Trick_or_tren1014]

Hello I'm 33y.o 5'9" 140, I have been off work for torn ligaments in my si joint and a torn longissismous(back muscle) I did PRP therapy for 6 months for it and the ligaments are back together through the process of scarring so I need to break the scar tissue down and get my ligaments more mobile.

(My main goals are to continue to help my ligaments heal and put on some muscle mass)

My plan is to run hgh for 1 1/2 - 2 months started at 2 iu slowly bringing it up to 5ius a day. (And continuing for 6 months total)
Once I've been on hgh for around 2months I plan on adding t400 at a dosage of 200-300mg a week(I have low testosterone but my levels are right on the border and doctors wont help me) so I don't think I need a great deal of test to get the results I'm after.

Once on test I plan on taking HCG 350-500ius twice weekly. (Also am debating on taking something for estrogen lvls but dont know if its necessary?)

Open to any criticism or tips.

The main thing I would like help with is my PCT.

Would a supplement be sufficient like DIM?
Or do I need nolvadex and clomid?

Any help will be much app

Also bro , dim won’t anything. Just not powerful enough . It’s good to see your doing some research though

I blast and cruise so don’t pct anymore . But the protocol I used for pct before was this and it worked great for me . First wait 7-9 days after last test injection

Weeks 1-4 - 40 mgs of tamoxifen/novadex a day . HCG 500 Monday wensday and Friday

Weeks 4-6 - 20mgs of tamoxifen/novadex a day . HCG 500 Monday wensday Friday

Hope that helps a little

 

[bayern]

Thanks for the replies much appreciated.

I always take my hgh at night on an empty stomach for multiple reasons, mainly because I get wicked sleeps that way and I was told and researched that pinning hgh to close to meals will mess with my insulin lvl and risk diabetes.(I think I'm right?)

With the test I want to do low dose so what you recommended was perfect.

As for on cycle I'd like to take as little as possible so I can see where sides are comming from so if I can just stick with
HGH, test, hgc that would be perfect and if I dont need a AI that would be nice.

Few questions tho would hcg on cycle not be a must for ball shrinkage(or Is that in the ptc)?

Also how would I know when i need a estrogen blocker(AI) on cycle? What are some of the most important side effects to watch out for?(I've read a bunch online but the list is so big i dont know what the MAJOR signs would be I guess is what I'm trying to say.)

Thanks again for the replays and advice

 

[Colette]

Hgh, is awesome for healing and recovery. Use long steady cycle at lowest effective dose. To much wastes money and causes swelling and tight joints. 2-4 ius seems to be the sweet spot for most ppl.

 

[bayern]

Hgh, is awesome for healing and recovery. Use long steady cycle at lowest effective dose. To much wastes money and causes swelling and tight joints. 2-4 ius seems to be the sweet spot for most ppl.

Do you take anything for blood pressure or insulin levels when your on hgh?

I never have in the past but been reading that some people do. Or else they do a 5 days a week schedule taking Monday and Friday off. (To deal with the blood pressure and insulin/blood sugar lvls.)

Any credence to these claims by others that you know of?

 

[Colette]

Been running hgh for 4 years, 6-8 months per year. I carefully watch my BP and bgl and its in the ideal range. In some countries, low dose hgh is prescribed for anti aging ...every day, year round. The horror stories I've heard are related to unnecessarily high doses.

 

[bayern]

Been running hgh for 4 years, 6-8 months per year. I carefully watch my BP and bgl and its in the ideal range. In some countries, low dose hgh is prescribed for anti aging ...every day, year round. The horror stories I've heard are related to unnecessarily high doses.

Do you watch it with blood test? Or do you just watch your blood sugar lvls and BP?
Just wondering because I cant get blood tests whenever I want (unfortunately I'm in canada...)

 

[bayern]

Hey what’s upbro. First I want to say hope recovery for torn lig gets better .

First cycle I always recommend 250 - 300 test to start because we can always go up and it’s good to see how your body feels first time on it . For oils , i always recommend pinning 2-3 days a week instead of one big dose . So example Monday - wensday - Friday you pin 100 test each day for a total of 300 a week. Personally I have much better labs with more smaller injections and feel better . Don’t use a AI unless you need to. Yes of course it’s good to have one on hand if needed , but only use if you need it. We need estrogen to grow and function . NEVER CRASH ESTROGEN, you feel awful.

Hgh is all about consistency and long term . A good example would be this - say you have 100ius, I rather you take 2ius a day for 50 days then 5 ius a day for 20 days.
Best times to take Hgh is when you wake up on empty stomach , post workout , or before bed. When I take Hgh I always make sure I haven’t ate anything for 90 minutes and I wait 30 min after injection before I eat. That’s me and what I do and works awesome for me .


Post cycle - tamoxifen, clomid , hcg and hmg, gonadorlin . All those work great. Before you start pct make sure you haven’t injected any test for 7-9 days. Let it clear out of body a good amount before starting pct. 4-6 weeks on pct

You can take hcg, hmg, and gonadorlin on cycle if you want .

When would you suggest using an AI? What are the most important sides I will experience thats a red flag to take some? (I have researched them but the list is so long lol looking for the major signs)

Thnx for the info as well

 

[Colette]

Do you watch it with blood test? Or do you just watch your blood sugar lvls and BP?
Just wondering because I cant get blood tests whenever I want (unfortunately I'm in canada...)

Blood tests, yes. But I schedule them around my anavar cycles because that's where I'm most concerned about risks.

 

[bayern]

Blood tests, yes. But I schedule them around my anavar cycles because that's where I'm most concerned about risks.

Yeah I currently have a Requisition for blood work on my test and gh lvls lik3 everything but I think I'm gonna wait to do it till i start test maybe half way through my cycle get my blood test done? Do you do it during or after cycle?

 

[Astro95]

Here’s every answer you need and then some.

Before you start Testosterone, get bloodwork done and check your Total T, Free T if possible and Estradiol. This info will help you down the road once you’re on cycle.

Since you will be using growth for healing purposes more than anything, follow your 2iu plan and no more than 3ius. Also add 2 more peptides BPC157 and TB500. Do some research on them. Great for healing, they will help speed up your recovery.

Going back to growth hormone, 2-3ius shouldn’t cause insulin resistance, but if you’re concerned about it. Get you a cheap glucose meter and check your glucose levels daily upon waking. They should be under 90. If over 90 here and there it’s okay, but I highly doubt that’ll be the case for you.

As far as blood pressure, get a monitor and check it daily. 5mg of cialis eod can help lower it, plus you get better pumps in the gym and better boners, win win.

I doubt you’ll need an AI at the doses you have planned of Testosterone, especially at your body weight I’d assume you’re fairly lean. This is when the prior to cycle bloodwork comes into play. You’ll know your starting numbers, then 6 weeks into your cycle if possible I know you said you can’t just get labs done, but if you can test again. Higher doses of testosterone or higher body fat help in the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen, which in your case I assume neither of those would apply. Non the less have it on hand.

Sides of high estrogen, sensitive nipples, puffy nipples, hot flashes, weak boners, emotional, but unless your nipples are on fire or you’re experiencing very significant symptoms, I wouldn’t use an Ai untill bloodwork confirms your estradiol is high.

Injecting test will shut down your sperm production therefore balls will shrink, so yes if you plan on coming off and doing pct I would use the Hcg during your cycle to avoid this.

PCT protocol
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Or the one the other member shared, I’m sure both would work.

 

[Trick_or_tren1014]

Thanks for the replies much appreciated.

I always take my hgh at night on an empty stomach for multiple reasons, mainly because I get wicked sleeps that way and I was told and researched that pinning hgh to close to meals will mess with my insulin lvl and risk diabetes.(I think I'm right?)

With the test I want to do low dose so what you recommended was perfect.

As for on cycle I'd like to take as little as possible so I can see where sides are comming from so if I can just stick with
HGH, test, hgc that would be perfect and if I dont need a AI that would be nice.

Few questions tho would hcg on cycle not be a must for ball shrinkage(or Is that in the ptc)?

Also how would I know when i need a estrogen blocker(AI) on cycle? What are some of the most important side effects to watch out for?(I've read a bunch online but the list is so big i dont know what the MAJOR signs would be I guess is what I'm trying to say.)

Thanks again for the replays and advice

Yes hcg on cycle helps with ball shrinkage . If you take it at night ( doesn’t matter what time of day you take it ) but you will wake up and see them full again . Just funny to see. But taking hcg on cycle is great .

For “ knowing “ when side effects are happening , it’s one of those things you know . For example , your nipples could very itchy and poofy. Im not talking about a little itchy that last 1 minute. Like it will hurt when you wear a shirt and they are very sensitive. If you have good skin and all of a sudden you have a huge break out someon where . Not 1 or 3 pimples , like a huge break out that puberty caused for us growing up.

I know you said 400 mgs but start with 250 a week and increase it 3 weeks later if you want . See how your body feels on a dose a little higher then trt. You proablly will see good results with just 250 for your first one

 

[bayern]

Here’s every answer you need and then some.

Before you start Testosterone, get bloodwork done and check your Total T, Free T if possible and Estradiol. This info will help you down the road once you’re on cycle.

Since you will be using growth for healing purposes more than anything, follow your 2iu plan and no more than 3ius. Also add 2 more peptides BPC157 and TB500. Do some research on them. Great for healing, they will help speed up your recovery.

Going back to growth hormone, 2-3ius shouldn’t cause insulin resistance, but if you’re concerned about it. Get you a cheap glucose meter and check your glucose levels daily upon waking. They should be under 90. If over 90 here and there it’s okay, but I highly doubt that’ll be the case for you.

As far as blood pressure, get a monitor and check it daily. 5mg of cialis eod can help lower it, plus you get better pumps in the gym and better boners, win win.

I doubt you’ll need an AI at the doses you have planned of Testosterone, especially at your body weight I’d assume you’re fairly lean. This is when the prior to cycle bloodwork comes into play. You’ll know your starting numbers, then 6 weeks into your cycle if possible I know you said you can’t just get labs done, but if you can test again. Higher doses of testosterone or higher body fat help in the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen, which in your case I assume neither of those would apply. Non the less have it on hand.

Sides of high estrogen, sensitive nipples, puffy nipples, hot flashes, weak boners, emotional, but unless your nipples are on fire or you’re experiencing very significant symptoms, I wouldn’t use an Ai untill bloodwork confirms your estradiol is high.

Injecting test will shut down your sperm production therefore balls will shrink, so yes if you plan on coming off and doing pct I would use the Hcg during your cycle to avoid this.

PCT protocol
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Or the one the other member shared, I’m sure both would work.

Thank for your post brother that was all the information I was looking for and I will be looking into those other peptides for my ligaments. Much appreciated bro

 

[bayern]

Yes hcg on cycle helps with ball shrinkage . If you take it at night ( doesn’t matter what time of day you take it ) but you will wake up and see them full again . Just funny to see. But taking hcg on cycle is great .

For “ knowing “ when side effects are happening , it’s one of those things you know . For example , your nipples could very itchy and poofy. Im not talking about a little itchy that last 1 minute. Like it will hurt when you wear a shirt and they are very sensitive. If you have good skin and all of a sudden you have a huge break out someon where . Not 1 or 3 pimples , like a huge break out that puberty caused for us growing up.

I know you said 400 mgs but start with 250 a week and increase it 3 weeks later if you want . See how your body feels on a dose a little higher then trt. You proablly will see good results with just 250 for your first one

Yah I'm gonna stick with this 250mg of t400. Thanks for the help bro much appreciated

 

[bayern]

Yes hcg on cycle helps with ball shrinkage . If you take it at night ( doesn’t matter what time of day you take it ) but you will wake up and see them full again . Just funny to see. But taking hcg on cycle is great .

For “ knowing “ when side effects are happening , it’s one of those things you know . For example , your nipples could very itchy and poofy. Im not talking about a little itchy that last 1 minute. Like it will hurt when you wear a shirt and they are very sensitive. If you have good skin and all of a sudden you have a huge break out someon where . Not 1 or 3 pimples , like a huge break out that puberty caused for us growing up.

I know you said 400 mgs but start with 250 a week and increase it 3 weeks later if you want . See how your body feels on a dose a little higher then trt. You proablly will see good results with just 250 for your first one

I've got one more question for yah sorry, I'm gonna be pinning my test in my quad is a 5/8s 25 g needle sufficient? Or is a 1 inch better? It seems long for my body I'm only 140 pounds lol that seems really deep to me

 

[LoraRussell]

Hello I'm 33y.o 5'9" 140, I have been off work for torn ligaments in my si joint and a torn longissismous(back muscle) I did PRP therapy for 6 months for it and the ligaments are back together through the process of scarring so I need to break the scar tissue down and get my ligaments more mobile.

(My main goals are to continue to help my ligaments heal and put on some muscle mass)

My plan is to run hgh for 1 1/2 - 2 months started at 2 iu slowly bringing it up to 5ius a day. (And continuing for 6 months total)
Once I've been on hgh for around 2months I plan on adding t400 at a dosage of 200-300mg a week(I have low testosterone but my levels are right on the border and doctors wont help me) so I don't think I need a great deal of test to get the results I'm after.

Once on test I plan on taking HCG 350-500ius twice weekly. (Also am debating on taking something for estrogen lvls but dont know if its necessary?)

Open to any criticism or tips.

The main thing I would like help with is my PCT.

Would a supplement be sufficient like DIM?
Or do I need nolvadex and clomid?

Any help will be much app

Regarding your plan to use HGH, it's typically used to treat medical conditions and is not approved for muscle growth or enhancing athletic performance. While it may have some potential benefits, it's important to be aware of the potential risks and side effects associated with HGH use, such as joint pain, fluid retention, and increased risk of diabetes.

When it comes to using testosterone, it's essential to have your hormone levels properly evaluated by a healthcare professional. Self-administering testosterone without medical supervision can have adverse effects on your health, especially if you have underlying conditions or imbalances.

Regarding your PCT, it's generally recommended to use medications like Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or Clomid (clomiphene) to help restore natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle. These drugs help prevent estrogen-related side effects and promote the recovery of natural testosterone levels. DIM (diindolylmethane) is a supplement that may help with estrogen metabolism, but it's not typically used as a standalone PCT option.

 

[Trick_or_tren1014]

I've got one more question for yah sorry, I'm gonna be pinning my test in my quad is a 5/8s 25 g needle sufficient? Or is a 1 inch better? It seems long for my body I'm only 140 pounds lol that seems really deep to me

Ask away! I asked so many questions when I first started .

I pin oils with 27g 1/2” in glutes. That works best for me and I don’t get the annoying scar tissue build up.

I would use the same for quads and have .

For your first cycle I would tell everyone this. Draw with 21-23 g , switch the tip and use 27g or 25g 1 “ glutes. 1 inch glutes pretty much ensures you will get IM and the spot is meaty, so if anyone is nervous first time I think it’s the safest spot.

But to answer your question yes you should be good. Here’s a little tip to. When your loaded in syringe , cap the tip so nothing touches it , and run the part holding oil under hot water for like 20 seconds . When the oil is heated it slides in easier

 

[bayern]

Ask away! I asked so many questions when I first started .

I pin oils with 27g 1/2” in glutes. That works best for me and I don’t get the annoying scar tissue build up.

I would use the same for quads and have .

For your first cycle I would tell everyone this. Draw with 21-23 g , switch the tip and use 27g or 25g 1 “ glutes. 1 inch glutes pretty much ensures you will get IM and the spot is meaty, so if anyone is nervous first time I think it’s the safest spot.

But to answer your question yes you should be good. Here’s a little tip to. When your loaded in syringe , cap the tip so nothing touches it , and run the part holding oil under hot water for like 20 seconds . When the oil is heated it slides in easier

I've never heard of running the test under hot water so thanks for that advice! Never seen that before but definitely makes sense.

As for the injection spot why do you recommend glutes? I would rather do my thigh as I can see it and be more steady handed (I have shaky hands)
I use to get glute injections all the time as a kid i had a stomach disorder that made me have to get gravel injections in my arse damn near weekly by my mother and never liked them, so it maybe some anxiety/trauma when I was a kid that doesnt wanna hit the glute.(just being honest) plus I think I have a fair bit of scar tissue build up from all them back there.

What about a pen injector aka auto injector? Would that be a good choice as it's more precise and would help with the unsteady hands of mine?

Thnx again for the response bro much appreciated.

 

[bayern]

Regarding your plan to use HGH, it's typically used to treat medical conditions and is not approved for muscle growth or enhancing athletic performance. While it may have some potential benefits, it's important to be aware of the potential risks and side effects associated with HGH use, such as joint pain, fluid retention, and increased risk of diabetes.

When it comes to using testosterone, it's essential to have your hormone levels properly evaluated by a healthcare professional. Self-administering testosterone without medical supervision can have adverse effects on your health, especially if you have underlying conditions or imbalances.

Regarding your PCT, it's generally recommended to use medications like Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or Clomid (clomiphene) to help restore natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle. These drugs help prevent estrogen-related side effects and promote the recovery of natural testosterone levels. DIM (diindolylmethane) is a supplement that may help with estrogen metabolism, but it's not typically used as a standalone PCT option.

I'm only to get my blood checked once I'm from canada and can't pay for private blood tests unfortunately. But I can see where my levels are at before and then go from there I know I have low testosterone last time it was in the 300s but its apparently acceptable for a 33y.o to have the testosterone of a 80y.o in my country for some reason..... really frustrating.