First Legit Cycle (Test Cyp/Primo/Avavar) Help/Feedback

[BrockNM]

Hey all,
I'm starting my first real cycle (12-16 weeks) and wanted to get as much help/feedback as I could to make sure I'm doing everything correctly. Currently, I have Primobolan Enanthate 200, Test Cypionate and Anavar 10mg tablets.

For the first week, possibly 2 weeks I'm doing....
200mg Test Cyp, 200mg Primo once a week
20mg Anavar before bed every night

The plan is to start the dosages lower and increase them every week/couple of weeks so I don't completely shock my body. About 10 years ago, I ran Test Cyp and Dianabol and I am pretty sure I got a little bit of gyno on my right nipple so I want to make sure I'm more careful this time around. With that being said, do I need a Estrogen blocker now, for PCT or only if I feel something? If so, please recommend some examples of what I should get.

Below are my "stats", I carry most of my fat in my lower stomach/back area so other than than I'm pretty lean. I had bloodwork done on 6/14/22 and my testosterone level was 565 and considered "normal".
Age: 39 (40 in August)
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 231lbs.
Body Fat: 20.4%
Test: 565ng/dL
Free Test: 9.27ng/dL

Please give me your thoughts on that plan, if I'm missing anything, what to expect, etc.
Thanks for all the help!

 

[Azrael]

If you are worried about gyno flaring up I would make sure to have some Raloxifene on hand that way you can nuke the gyno as you figure out the estrogen problems that caused it initially.

 

[SteveO]

why anavar before sleep?

 

[BrockNM]

why anavar before sleep?

Honestly, I’m not sure. A friend of mine told me to do it that way and I was just making sure he’s correct.

 

[SteveO]

the half life of anavar is close to what your average nights sleep will be, I could be wrong, but i would take it a couple of hours prior to working out.

 

[BrockNM]

Bump

 

[Gullinbursti]

the half life of anavar is close to what your average nights sleep will be, I could be wrong, but i would take it a couple of hours prior to working out.

You're not wrong at all. But plenty of people dose Anavar once per day and still get the same results of a split dose. So it's one of those things that's kinda like, on paper you're correct but in practice there isn't much of a difference if any

 

[Gbunk]

Wh

Hey all,
I'm starting my first real cycle (12-16 weeks) and wanted to get as much help/feedback as I could to make sure I'm doing everything correctly. Currently, I have Primobolan Enanthate 200, Test Cypionate and Anavar 10mg tablets.

For the first week, possibly 2 weeks I'm doing....
200mg Test Cyp, 200mg Primo once a week
20mg Anavar before bed every night

The plan is to start the dosages lower and increase them every week/couple of weeks so I don't completely shock my body. About 10 years ago, I ran Test Cyp and Dianabol and I am pretty sure I got a little bit of gyno on my right nipple so I want to make sure I'm more careful this time around. With that being said, do I need a Estrogen blocker now, for PCT or only if I feel something? If so, please recommend some examples of what I should get.

Below are my "stats", I carry most of my fat in my lower stomach/back area so other than than I'm pretty lean. I had bloodwork done on 6/14/22 and my testosterone level was 565 and considered "normal".
Age: 39 (40 in August)
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 231lbs.
Body Fat: 20.4%
Test: 565ng/dL
Free Test: 9.27ng/dL

Please give me your thoughts on that plan, if I'm missing anything, what to expect, etc.
Thanks for all the help!

What do you mean by “first real” cycle?

If you have never used PED’s before, just stick 1. Test is great only compound for first cycle and really is plenty for being new to the game in terms of gains. If you aren’t going to listen, sure throw in anavar. Leave a 2nd injectable for another time.

 

[Beastmode121]

“Shock my body” … what? that makes no sense bro.

Start off with 400/400/40mg
Make the best out of this cycle. There’s no such thing as shock your body bullshit. Take the var twice a day, and run some aromasin twice a week at 25mg. This “on hand” bullshit makes no sense either. Run the AI on cycle, it’s not going to hurt you what so ever

And do blood work.

 

[CialisPalace]

Avavar sounds like a Hairy Potter spell for gains

 

[Gullinbursti]

“Shock my body” … what? that makes no sense bro.

Start off with 400/400/40mg
Make the best out of this cycle. There’s no such thing as shock your body bullshit. Take the var twice a day, and run some aromasin twice a week at 25mg. This “on hand” bullshit makes no sense either. Run the AI on cycle, it’s not going to hurt you what so ever

And do blood work.

Don't run any aromasin unless you have high estrogen symptoms. Plenty of people don't need any ai on 400 test and far fewer need any while using primo at a 1:1 ratio. That's a great way to crash your e2 and have a bad couple weeks at least. Running ai can and will hurt you if you don't need it. That's an odd thing to recommend

 

[Gullinbursti]

Just to repeat for OP DO NOT RUN AI IF YOU DON'T NEED IT. Especially while using primo because you very well may not. Having it on hand is exactly what you should be doing in case you need it.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Don't run any aromasin unless you have high estrogen symptoms. Plenty of people don't need any ai on 400 test and far fewer need any while using primo at a 1:1 ratio. That's a great way to crash your e2 and have a bad couple weeks at least. Running ai can and will hurt you if you don't need it. That's an odd thing to recommend

Very strange. Don't want OP to take his shit and feel awful. Unless you do want him to?

 

[psauce]

I think this is a bad idea. Too much for a first cycle, and you don't have a good rationale for its design.

If you do anything at all, run 375 or 400 mg/week of testosterone and see how you respond. 500 mg/week if you're dead set on it. Inject every other day, if not more frequently, to mitigate E2 spikes. You are a little higher in bodyfat than is ideal for starting a cycle, and bodyfat aromatizes, so keep an AI on hand. Get bloods drawn at six weeks and adjust from there.

But really, you should pump the brakes and figure out what you're doing and why before you start putting shit in your body. What E2 will you decided to use the AI? Which symptoms? How much of it and when?

I don't think you have a solid plan in place if you're taking things just because a friend told you to do it that way.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I think this is a bad idea. Too much for a first cycle, and you don't have a good rationale for its design.

If you do anything at all, run 375 or 400 mg/week of testosterone and see how you respond. 500 mg/week if you're dead set on it. Inject every other day, if not more frequently, to mitigate E2 spikes. You are a little higher in bodyfat than is ideal for starting a cycle, and bodyfat aromatizes, so keep an AI on hand. Get bloods drawn at six weeks and adjust from there.

But really, you should pump the brakes and figure out what you're doing and why before you start putting shit in your body. What E2 will you decided to use the AI? Which symptoms? How much of it and when?

I don't think you have a solid plan in place if you're taking things just because a friend told you to do it that way.

Not to side step the OP, but injecting primo once a week is that effective? I've always just done twice a week with T. I have no idea how long primo works in your body

 

[FrancoC]

Not to side step the OP, but injecting primo once a week is that effective? I've always just done twice a week with T. I have no idea how long primo works in your body

Primo is an enanthate ester. You can add it in the same barrel as the test and second the advice of shooting EOD to keep plasma levels as stable as possible.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Primo is an enanthate ester. You can add it in the same barrel as the test and second the advice of shooting EOD to keep plasma levels as stable as possible.

Yeah that's what I do. Just never knew how long it stays active in your body

 

[EchoMB]

Up the test, it won't shock your body since it takes weeks to even build up to steady state since test e has a long half life. The var dose timing is weird, it works best for most about 1hr pre workout since it gives a strength boost. Yeah the anabolic properties are primarily for recovery but at the end of the day a better workout will help gains more

 

[misfitzillah]

great choice in compounds! I looked my best on these 3 and was only able to train twice a week but my job involves a lot of lifting and running around all day . Personally I would keep the test at 200mg and up the primo to 400mg and eventually 600mg after you pleateu. This way you don’t have to mess with any estrogen blockers. Either way you’re going to get great results with these compounds but definitely split the doses like recommended above. I would take your var two hours preworkout or if you train in the morning when you first awake. It has a short half life but taking it daily it builds up and you’ll feel pumped all day. Best of luck!!!