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First injectable cycle

mrtren

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Hi,

Just did a first anavar cycle only 25 mg / day and feel great but gains are indeed very mild. Looking forward to do my first injectable cycle that would look like :

Test E 400 mg x 16 weeks (once a week)
Anavar 25 mg 1 x day for the last 50 days
Arimidex x .5mg a day for the last 50days
PCT: Nolvadex 20 a day for 28 days

I'm 6'2, 24 years old, 235 pounds, ≈ 18% bf.

Appreciate all the help!

G
 

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Well, it will certainly be much better than shutting down your balls and replacing your natural test with almost nothing.

I wouldn't take the AI unless you experience symptoms or your bloodwork is problematic. If you inject more frequently, you may not even need an AI at all.
 
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I agree with psauce about the ai. Only use a AI if you need to. My estrogen has been in the 90s with blood work and I Showed no signs of side effects .

I would even consider running 300 for first test cycle . Always can up after a few weeks.
 
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Hi,

Just did a first anavar cycle only 25 mg / day and feel great but gains are indeed very mild. Looking forward to do my first injectable cycle that would look like :

Test E 400 mg x 16 weeks (once a week)
Anavar 25 mg 1 x day for the last 50 days
Arimidex x .5mg a day for the last 50days
PCT: Nolvadex 20 a day for 28 days

I'm 6'2, 24 years old, 235 pounds, ≈ 18% bf.

Appreciate all the help!

G
Also break up your injections to 2 times a week or 3 times a week . I noticed that when I pin monday , wensday and Friday , I have better labs then one big injection a week.
 

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You should probably use hcg at some point or at least clomid also for PCT unless you want to feel lethargic and shitty.
 

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Also break up your injections to 2 times a week or 3 times a week . I noticed that when I pin monday , wensday and Friday , I have better labs then one big injection a week.
this will always ring true, i pin every day, and i realize most wont do this, but its soooo much better
 
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.5 arimidex you will def feel like ass. No buts about it.

Why not run two injectables? Just curious if you've checked out options
 

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If it’s your first injectable cycle enjoy the benefits of 250mg test at least the first 4-6 weeks get the most out of that until you plateau then consider adding more. Personally I like to stay around 250 test at most so you don’t have to take ridiculous amounts of AI. When you pleateu add in other compounds that don’t aromatise . Also it seems your looking to stay lean but 250mg Test + 25mg of Dbol is an awesome cycle, the Anavar can stay in if you want to keep you somewhat lean instead of puffy from the Dbol but if you’re diet is on point you can look great on Dbol.
 

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If you just use nolva, from experience you will likely feel like ass.. I would be willing most people, not everyone, would feel the same way.
Are you saying for PCT Nolva alone isnt enough? Are you saying adding clomid to nolva for his 28 day PCT?
 

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Hi,

Just did a first anavar cycle only 25 mg / day and feel great but gains are indeed very mild. Looking forward to do my first injectable cycle that would look like :

Test E 400 mg x 16 weeks (once a week)
Anavar 25 mg 1 x day for the last 50 days
Arimidex x .5mg a day for the last 50days
PCT: Nolvadex 20 a day for 28 days

I'm 6'2, 24 years old, 235 pounds, ≈ 18% bf.

Appreciate all the help!

G
Uhhh why would you take an arimidex every day? Fuck no dude. Also why the last 50 days this makes no sense. Everything else seems fine. You only take an ai if you need to. You very possibly won't need to or you'll definitely need it before the last 50 days if you do. But that's a ton of adex and you'll fuck yourself for no reason with that plan
 
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I would do 500 test/week; use synergy forge test e 500 so you’re not pushing 2ml every shot. 500mg every 5 days because the half-life is 5.2 days.

I would switch arimidex for aromasin as aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, not an estrogen receptor blocker (huge difference). One aromasin every 3-4 days.

Your PCT needs to include clomid with nolvadex AND HCG. Without it, you’re going to have a hard ass time recovering. Remember, don’t start your PCT until 15 days after your last injection; that’s when the half life’s will be almost broken down to the point where nolvadex, clomid and hcg can work effectively.

Hope it goes well.
 

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I would do 500 test/week; use synergy forge test e 500 so you’re not pushing 2ml every shot. 500mg every 5 days because the half-life is 5.2 days.

I would switch arimidex for aromasin as aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, not an estrogen receptor blocker (huge difference). One aromasin every 3-4 days.

Your PCT needs to include clomid with nolvadex AND HCG. Without it, you’re going to have a hard ass time recovering. Remember, don’t start your PCT until 15 days after your last injection; that’s when the half life’s will be almost broken down to the point where nolvadex, clomid and hcg can work effectively.

Hope it goes well.
Is HCG still advised even if HCG is run through entire cycle. I know people debat to run HCG in PCT because HCG is also suppresive. Just looking at most advantageous way.
 
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Is HCG still advised even if HCG is run through entire cycle. I know people debat to run HCG in PCT because HCG is also suppresive. Just looking at most advantageous way.

It’s my personal preference (even with blood work) that I run HCG the first two weeks of PCT. I run it higher than when on cycle because you’re goal is to really stimulate a response from your HPTA axis
 

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It’s my personal preference (even with blood work) that I run HCG the first two weeks of PCT. I run it higher than when on cycle because you’re goal is to really stimulate a response from your HPTA axis
I was going to do 250IU EOD during cycle, So for 1st 2 weeks of PCT what would you run. What about Estrogen side effects of HCG post cycle. Are you taking an AI in PCT?
 
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I was going to do 250IU EOD during cycle, So for 1st 2 weeks of PCT what would you run. What about Estrogen side effects of HCG post cycle. Are you taking an AI in PCT?

Simply put: I run 500iu on T/TH throughout my cycle (besides the last 45 days) and that’s it. And about 45 days before I stop the cycle, I stop the hcg to let me HPTA axis completely shut down; the science behind this is that if you keep blasting HCG, your pituitary will become accustomed and not secrete normally once you come off. With that, 15 days after my last pin of the cycle, I blast hcg at 1500-2000iu on T/TH for 2-3 weeks, accompanied with nolva and clomid. This will tell your HPTA axis that it needs to work on its own and not expect help from exogenous hormones.

As for AI - I would keep some on hand but the nolva will do something similar, but not exact. So if you experience very bad estrogen sides, yea sure pop an AI, but remember that estrogen is heart protective and detrimental to a males health (even on cycle) which is why it’s so important to have estrogen dialed in consistently
 

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I agree with psauce about the ai. Only use a AI if you need to. My estrogen has been in the 90s with blood work and I Showed no signs of side effects .

I would even consider running 300 for first test cycle . Always can up after a few weeks.
What If your from a shitty country.....say canada for example and cannot pay for private bloods can only get them ordered once a year for check up. How would you suggest a guy use AI's? Simply just go off of sides would be my best bet I'm assuming? But do you know any other tricks by chance?

Would appreciate the help.
 
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