Do Transgender people.....

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resistor" pid='43661' dateline='1551582507:

kingofcarbz" pid='43599' dateline='1551561595:

resistor" pid='43574' dateline='1551549016:

nah, it doesn’t work like that at all.

Care to elaborate?

Last I checked a dude cannot get a HRT script because he wants to develop more masculine features.

Yet, a woman can get a HRT script because she wants to develop masculine features.

Of course there is a process involved with the woman getting a HRT script, but there isn’t even a possibility for a normal man with levels in range who simply wants to become more manly.

Is this untrue?

Those crooked anti-aging clinics some states allow do not count for either side ofc

normal levels of test (TRT) don’t cause an adult male to develop more masculine features

If somebody has say a level of 500-600, having a level of 1-1.1k (top range) will absolutely dlevelop more masculine traits. Additionally, my original post simply said “wants to become more of a male” which didn’t reference levels being in range and you said that was “not how it works”. Please elaborate on how my initial statement “isn’t how it works”. Thanks

 

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kingofcarbz" pid='43697' dateline='1551628765:

resistor" pid='43661' dateline='1551582507:

kingofcarbz" pid='43599' dateline='1551561595:

resistor" pid='43574' dateline='1551549016:

nah, it doesn’t work like that at all.

Care to elaborate?

Last I checked a dude cannot get a HRT script because he wants to develop more masculine features.

Yet, a woman can get a HRT script because she wants to develop masculine features.

Of course there is a process involved with the woman getting a HRT script, but there isn’t even a possibility for a normal man with levels in range who simply wants to become more manly.

Is this untrue?

Those crooked anti-aging clinics some states allow do not count for either side ofc

normal levels of test (TRT) don’t cause an adult male to develop more masculine features

If somebody has say a level of 500-600, having a level of 1-1.1k (top range) will absolutely dlevelop more masculine traits. Additionally, my original post simply said “wants to become more of a male” which didn’t reference levels being in range and you said that was “not how it works”. Please elaborate on how my initial statement “isn’t how it works”. Thanks

Given we are talking about medically prescribed TRT reference range is pretty much required.

You’re gonna have to prove your assertion otherwise because you madd the initial claim.

 

[MassivePenisJohnsonD]

Hopeisfading" pid='43309' dateline='1551394128:

Get prescribed hormones? Like test for a girl that wants to be a guy?

If so how is that legal?

What if I wanna identify as a massive bodybuilder? What’s the difference?

Well you can just bring your 6 year old daughter to the doctor and tell them she wants to be a man then just keep the gear for yourself. It is a little fucked up. My girlfriends lil sister is 14 and about to start taking T. Just because being trans is the trendy thing to do now a days.

If you have enough money, just see an endocrinologist and they’ll give you T. I know plenty of old ass niggas at my gym on that are on TRT. They only give you like 100-200 mgs of T per week though. A script might come in handy if you’re fucking traveling.

 

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resistor" pid='43699' dateline='1551630705:

kingofcarbz" pid='43697' dateline='1551628765:

resistor" pid='43661' dateline='1551582507:

kingofcarbz" pid='43599' dateline='1551561595:

resistor" pid='43574' dateline='1551549016:

nah, it doesn’t work like that at all.

Care to elaborate?

Last I checked a dude cannot get a HRT script because he wants to develop more masculine features.

Yet, a woman can get a HRT script because she wants to develop masculine features.

Of course there is a process involved with the woman getting a HRT script, but there isn’t even a possibility for a normal man with levels in range who simply wants to become more manly.

Is this untrue?

Those crooked anti-aging clinics some states allow do not count for either side ofc

normal levels of test (TRT) don’t cause an adult male to develop more masculine features

If somebody has say a level of 500-600, having a level of 1-1.1k (top range) will absolutely dlevelop more masculine traits. Additionally, my original post simply said “wants to become more of a male” which didn’t reference levels being in range and you said that was “not how it works”. Please elaborate on how my initial statement “isn’t how it works”. Thanks

Given we are talking about medically prescribed TRT reference range is pretty much required.

You’re gonna have to prove your assertion otherwise because you madd the initial claim.

If a healthy 20 year old male wants to become more of a man (aka have higher testosterone levels than he currently does) he’s going to be refused a testosterone prescription from U.S. based doctors (generally speaking, obviously there are exceptions but they do not make the rule)

If a healthy 20 year old woman wants to become a man she isn’t going to be refused a testosterone prescription from U.S. based doctors (generally speaking, obviously there are exceptions but they do not make the rule)

In theory a woman can attain higher testosterone levels than a man with 500 ng/dl can, and that is ass fucking backwards. Under no circumstance should a female be allowed to get ideal T levels while a male cannot. If a woman can get a script giving her 1k TT, a man should also be able to get a script giving him 1k TT.

Yes, a man will develop more masculine traits from elevated testosterone levels, as will a woman. Simply having levels ‘in range’ doesn’t provide the same masculine development, having levels in the 400s isn’t the same as having levels in 800s, 500 isn’t the same as 1000, so on and so forth. It’s not just “oh you’re in range so you get the same development as somebody else in range”.

 

[DNPstoney]

resistor" pid='43661' dateline='1551582507:

kingofcarbz" pid='43599' dateline='1551561595:

resistor" pid='43574' dateline='1551549016:

nah, it doesn’t work like that at all.

Care to elaborate?

Last I checked a dude cannot get a HRT script because he wants to develop more masculine features.

Yet, a woman can get a HRT script because she wants to develop masculine features.

Of course there is a process involved with the woman getting a HRT script, but there isn’t even a possibility for a normal man with levels in range who simply wants to become more manly.

Is this untrue?

Those crooked anti-aging clinics some states allow do not count for either side ofc

normal levels of test (TRT) don’t cause an adult male to develop more masculine features

All he said was HRT. And yeah, TRT causes someone to have more masculine features when someone is at 50ng/dl.

If a man is at normal test range, but they want to be at supraphysiological levels, they are not able to get a prescription for that from a doctor (generally).

If a woman wants to become man (and thus have more masculine features), they are able to get a prescription from a doctor for test at normal male levels.

I know you are trying to defend trans gender people, but you are taking it a step too far.

I would instead say the idea of becoming more of a man is innately unhealthy; though I am doing it, I can understand why the government would not want to support it.

 

[resistor]

y’all need to show some evidence that 800ng/dl will make you more manly than 200ng/dl

that whole 50ng/dl example is not relevant because it’s not statistically significant. almost no men are that low.

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kingofcarbz" pid='43772' dateline='1551667152:

In theory a woman can attain higher testosterone levels than a man with 500 ng/dl can, and that is ass fucking backwards. Under no circumstance should a female be allowed to get ideal T levels while a male cannot. If a woman can get a script giving her 1k TT, a man should also be able to get a script giving him 1k TT.

please show me what proof you have of this ever happening. NOT IN THEORY AKA SPECULATION / FEARMONGERING

 

[DNPstoney]

resistor" pid='43801' dateline='1551677003:

y’all need to show some evidence that 800ng/dl will make you more manly than 200ng/dl

that whole 50ng/dl example is not relevant because it’s not statistically significant. almost no men are that low.

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kingofcarbz" pid='43772' dateline='1551667152:

In theory a woman can attain higher testosterone levels than a man with 500 ng/dl can, and that is ass fucking backwards. Under no circumstance should a female be allowed to get ideal T levels while a male cannot. If a woman can get a script giving her 1k TT, a man should also be able to get a script giving him 1k TT.

please show me what proof you have of this ever happening. NOT IN THEORY AKA SPECULATION / FEARMONGERING

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Shit bro, there is a ton of evidence that higher testosterone levels cause increased muscle mass, lower fat mass, and increased facial hair growth. But I am guessing you are just going to move the goal posts again (“THESE FEATURES AREN’T MASCULINE!!!11”).

Muscle mass:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.10...RiAx9_Z62mGomJjVZ0D0gsPQsMMi5Kj4sxj4Y1q_UcOpw

Facial Hair Growth:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2133.1982.tb00406.x

 

[resistor]

muscle mass isn’t masculine. when normalized for weight, women can have just as much as men

but regardless, when you stay within reference range you don’t gain more muscle simply from taking more test.

 

[DNPstoney]

resistor" pid='43806' dateline='1551683119:

muscle mass isn’t masculine. when normalized for weight, women can have just as much as men

but regardless, when you stay within reference range you don’t gain more muscle simply from taking more test.

That doesn’t make sense; kind of like you don’t understand what mass is. “When normalized for weight” doesn’t mean shit. That’s like saying “when normalized for income, women and men have the same salary”. I think you mean proportional? Which is still incorrect, as women carry a higher percentage of fat mass.

Increased strength (which correlates with increased muscle mass) is definitely a sign on masculinity. Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

The whole point is going OUTSIDE the reference range. I.e. more testosterone than what is normal.

 

[DNPstoney]

resistor" pid='43806' dateline='1551683119:

muscle mass isn’t masculine. when normalized for weight, women can have just as much as men

but regardless, when you stay within reference range you don’t gain more muscle simply from taking more test.

That doesn’t make sense; kind of like you don’t understand what mass is. “When normalized for weight” doesn’t mean shit. That’s like saying “when normalized for income, women and men have the same salary”. I think you mean proportional? Which is still incorrect, as women carry a higher percentage of fat mass.

Increased strength (which correlates with increased muscle mass) is definitely a sign on masculinity. Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

The whole point is going OUTSIDE the reference range. I.e. more testosterone than what is normal.

 

[Tony_Parks]

Perhaps the most accurate way to state it, and what many think is a double standard, is that biological females generally can get prescriptions to obtain supraphysiological levels of testosterone, whereas biological males generally can’t.

 

[resistor]

DNPstoney" pid='43808' dateline='1551687016:

resistor" pid='43806' dateline='1551683119:

muscle mass isn’t masculine. when normalized for weight, women can have just as much as men

but regardless, when you stay within reference range you don’t gain more muscle simply from taking more test.

That doesn’t make sense; kind of like you don’t understand what mass is. “When normalized for weight” doesn’t mean shit. That’s like saying “when normalized for income, women and men have the same salary”. I think you mean proportional? Which is still incorrect, as women carry a higher percentage of fat mass.

Increased strength (which correlates with increased muscle mass) is definitely a sign on masculinity. Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

The whole point is going OUTSIDE the reference range. I.e. more testosterone than what is normal.

You should read recent research on this subject.