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215lbs 6ft1 25% BF

biggav28

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i just want to bulk up at this moment. cutting is easy for me. what i have in mind is a 10 week cycle 500mg of TRT Cypionate per week 500mg EQ per week. Dianabol 50mg per day for the first 25 days of the bulk. I also want to get 5000 units of HGC. at what point should i take the HGC? i'm very healthy and not worried about the side affects. is there any issues with this cycle? please let me know i'm pretty new still.
 

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Have you ever cycled before? I see a lot of issues here. First with you being at 25% bf and wanting to bulk? If cutting is easy how is your bf% that high? I would NOT do dbol or a cycle at all being that high in bf. Lean out first naturally then think about doing a bulking cycle.

Idc how healthy you think you are you should be concerned about side effects/issues with gear. Health & safety should be a top priority. Do more research before you start injecting things into your body. I don’t want to see anyone have to learn the hard way.

What is TRT Cypionate? You mean testosterone Cypionate? Idt any doctor will prescribe 500mg/wk lol and it’s HCG not HGC… lol
 
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10 weeks is way too short for either of those esters but especially the eq. You're too high bf to worry about bulking. That's too much dbol, especially with as much body fat as you have and too short of a time running it. You need to research not just do random things. HCG should ideally be ran the whole time but at least the last three weeks, it will also fuck with your estrogen most likely. Which will already be a roller coaster because of all of the other flaws with this cycle and your body fat
 

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okay. i can get down to 10-15% BF pretty easily. after that would you reccomend 12 weeks @ 400mg test cyp and 400mg EQ per week with 25mg dbol running thru first 50 days instead? i want to be safe but also bulk quickly. and for the HCG weeks 3-12 250IU twice weekly?
I believe this thread is for "Dumb questions" hence why i'm asking dumb questions.
Thanks in advance.
 

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okay. i can get down to 10-15% BF pretty easily. after that would you reccomend 12 weeks @ 400mg test cyp and 400mg EQ per week with 25mg dbol running thru first 50 days instead? i want to be safe but also bulk quickly. and for the HCG weeks 3-12 250IU twice weekly?
I believe this thread is for "Dumb questions" hence why i'm asking dumb questions.
Thanks in advance.
Have you ever cycled before? Knowing your cycle experience will help us point you in the right direction. And 250iu 2X weekly of HCG is a good dose
 

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Bulking is a bad idea at 25% just going to get fatter. I'd recommend a recomp instead, keep calories where they are and lose fat/gain muscle.

Your cycle is WAY too short for EQ, and borderline on the test C. If you are going to use EQ you'll be wanting to be on for at least 16 weeks.

The HCG is fine, I've never used it though so that is what it is.

Then let's get to the "why are you using 3 compounds in one cycle?".... So why? Is this your first cycle? It sounds like it 100% is, so really should just stick with test only, and I usually recommend using an oral as a finisher not kickstart. It's nicer that way, can run the oral right up to your PCT

So what's your PCT plan?
 

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Bulking is a bad idea at 25% just going to get fatter. I'd recommend a recomp instead, keep calories where they are and lose fat/gain muscle.

Your cycle is WAY too short for EQ, and borderline on the test C. If you are going to use EQ you'll be wanting to be on for at least 16 weeks.

The HCG is fine, I've never used it though so that is what it is.

Then let's get to the "why are you using 3 compounds in one cycle?".... So why? Is this your first cycle? It sounds like it 100% is, so really should just stick with test only, and I usually recommend using an oral as a finisher not kickstart. It's nicer that way, can run the oral right up to your PCT

So what's your PCT plan?
Bulking is a bad idea at 25% just going to get fatter. I'd recommend a recomp instead, keep calories where they are and lose fat/gain muscle.

Your cycle is WAY too short for EQ, and borderline on the test C. If you are going to use EQ you'll be wanting to be on for at least 16 weeks.

The HCG is fine, I've never used it though so that is what it is.

Then let's get to the "why are you using 3 compounds in one cycle?".... So why? Is this your first cycle? It sounds like it 100% is, so really should just stick with test only, and I usually recommend using an oral as a finisher not kickstart. It's nicer that way, can run the oral right up to your PCT

So what's your PCT plan?
i did test C 12 week @ 250 per week in 2015 but i really let myself go. would you reccomend test C @ 16 weeks @ 500mg. fuck the eq and do dbol 25mg oral for the last 50 days of the cycle and i was planning on using the HCG as my PCT 250iu twice per week but i heard it’s better to do it during the last weeks. but instead i can do the last 5 weeks of the cycle and 5wks after the cycle ends? i’m gonna be hitting the gym almost every day
 

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yeah, like the dudes up here said. id say trim down. see where you're at 10%-13% bf. stuff like EQ is typically only used in a lower bf range. dbol will put on some muscle but fat as well.
 

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You need to cut. A lot. Not being judgmental by any means but you need to bring your bf to at least 12% before considering a bulk, otherwise you will forever playing catch-up trying to burn the fat off.

You don’t need dbol. You need a calorie restriction and a program tuned into cutting weight. I’d say run 300mg test, your call on cyp or enth, then when you hit a wall add a low dose of tren or possibly winny to keep your foot on the gas while you finish your cut. This will keep your strength up and keep what tissue you have on your frame.

Restrict your calories, get in as many steps a day as possible (reducing the need for cardio which will fatigue your training) and maintain training intensity while keeping volume low as you get deeper in your cut, to prevent injury, and you’ll be golden.

Work up to a clean slate for your next bulk and you’ll eliminate a lot of bullshit.
 

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You sure you're 25%? When I was younger I managed to get 220 @ 5'9 and significantly lower than 25% bf (subjectively but I mean abs all day) and this is before I ever touched gear. A couple inches of height and 5 less pounds, you ought to be leaner than 25%.

Anyway bulk to your heart's content. Even if you really are at 25% it's very different from an untrained person being that hefty; Your body should be fine. You're gonna end up looking like a Strongman competitor or the 'fat powerlifter' stereotype but the back, chest, shoulder and arm gains should look great in properly fitting clothes at least.
 

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You need to cut. A lot. Not being judgmental by any means but you need to bring your bf to at least 12% before considering a bulk, otherwise you will forever playing catch-up trying to burn the fat off.

You don’t need dbol. You need a calorie restriction and a program tuned into cutting weight. I’d say run 300mg test, your call on cyp or enth, then when you hit a wall add a low dose of tren or possibly winny to keep your foot on the gas while you finish your cut. This will keep your strength up and keep what tissue you have on your frame.

Restrict your calories, get in as many steps a day as possible (reducing the need for cardio which will fatigue your training) and maintain training intensity while keeping volume low as you get deeper in your cut, to prevent injury, and you’ll be golden.

Work up to a clean slate for your next bulk and you’ll eliminate a lot of bullshit.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. In a perfect world you'd be 10-12% before bulking. He definitely shouldn't bulk at 25% especially with as (no offense) lost as he sounds. However I've started bulks at 18-20% and ended up 25lbs heavier and closer to 15% which isn't a bad place to be coming off of a 25 pound bulk. I think the notion that you have to be shredded to use gear is stupid. However I train like a beast, I'm always pushing my limits and I eat clean even while getting in 4k cals per day. Not everyone trains and diets like that so then they look like shit
 

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I agree with most of the guys..bulking now,I don't really care about a bf% but if you are overweight you would do yourself some good trimming down .call it a recomp if you will..500 test + 50 dbol ..most Def shoot your e2 and blood pressure up..I personally don't care for eq,but if it's what u wanna do go for it..
 

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You say you want to bulk "fast". But that will just put on more fat. You should bulk at the same rate that you gain muscle. Same with cutting. ( which I agree you should do). Slow and steady. As for gear: stick around and do a LOT of reading. You say you're not worried about side effects, but you reeeeally should be. Take care of yourself.
 

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i just want to say i love you all and this is awesome. im doing 2 45 minutes of cardio (one stairs) one treadmill per day and then doing strength workouts just to keep up. until i get to 13-15 bf im not touching anything. this is why i came here and asked. so much input is so helpful. thank you all. ive been just doing 25 pushups and then a set of 10 pull ups and 5 muscle ups just to stay strong 1-3 times a day throughout the day. idk if that helps anything lol i'm restricting calories and eating healthy and seem to be losing weight slowly
 

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You say you want to bulk "fast". But that will just put on more fat. You should bulk at the same rate that you gain muscle. Same with cutting. ( which I agree you should do). Slow and steady. As for gear: stick around and do a LOT of reading. You say you're not worried about side effects, but you reeeeally should be. Take care of yourself.
I like your responses..this is true,don't be in a rush,and sides yeah you will retract that way of thinking when you have libido issues or gyno.
Rome wasn't built in a day
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with you. In a perfect world you'd be 10-12% before bulking. He definitely shouldn't bulk at 25% especially with as (no offense) lost as he sounds. However I've started bulks at 18-20% and ended up 25lbs heavier and closer to 15% which isn't a bad place to be coming off of a 25 pound bulk. I think the notion that you have to be shredded to use gear is stupid. However I train like a beast, I'm always pushing my limits and I eat clean even while getting in 4k cals per day. Not everyone trains and diets like that so then they look like shit
I really don’t mean to shit on anyone’s starting place but I think it would serve those of us (myself included) to push a little harder when we cut for the sake of a better physique overall. Every cut I try to reel it in a little bit more and I encourage others that need to do the same so we’re feeling better and looking better.

Mind you I’m not a power lifter and I don’t know what everyones goals are so with that said, at the end of the day people can suggest whatever, but it all comes down to preference and what that particular individual is looking for.
 
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