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Livingcanvas said:

With as unprofessional, unorganized, and flat out lazy as this source is, anyone would be stupid to give them your money, but it's no sweat off my back if you do. However,

@CaptainAmerica you're coming on here defending the source and defending the mods processes, but not acknowledging the fact that this source has shown very lackluster professionalism in his replies, and flat out laziness in the OP, is not helping us, the consumers of these products. You have to admit the sources whole demeanor here is bad. I get that you have your vetting processes, but this source is not showing themselves to be trustworthy in my opinion. Their whole demeanor just screams of lazy drug dealer

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And why would I respond to comments like yours when its clear you have an agenda

Livingcanvas said:

With as unprofessional, unorganized, and flat out lazy as this source is, anyone would be stupid to give them your money, but it's no sweat off my back if you do. However,

@CaptainAmerica you're coming on here defending the source and defending the mods processes, but not acknowledging the fact that this source has shown very lackluster professionalism in his replies, and flat out laziness in the OP, is not helping us, the consumers of these products. You have to admit the sources whole demeanor here is bad. I get that you have your vetting processes, but this source is not showing themselves to be trustworthy in my opinion. Their whole demeanor just screams of lazy drug dealer

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Can you clarify where I defended the source?

And that’s a perfectly fine opinion to have regarding demeanor etc. Not saying it’s true or false, but again, if the source isn’t for you, then don’t order, don’t engage further, and move on.

makeway said:

Active mod team? How do yall expect us to take the mods word and trust the vetting process, and not do it ourself; when we can’t even trust the mods to address other issues, such as HunterPharm?

I wouldn’t call this trial by fire. I’d call this setting expectations and maintaining a certain standard. If a sources refuses to answer basic question, and come unprepared; how do you expect us to act?

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Same mod team that also denied that Muscle Candy was linked to Juiceape

CaptainAmerica said:

Why? This isn’t meso my dude. We don’t do that here.

All potential sources go through an application process and are then approved to post.

At this point, everyone should know (if you don’t, read the wiki before making a post) about the vetting process here. Mods ensure equipment and processes are up to par, testing is complete and within margin etc.

Not saying you guys can’t ask defining or clarifying questions, but I will emphasize again, THIS IS NOT MESO. We do not invite and vet a new source with trial by fire on the board. Our vetting processes are much different on SST. I believe we are the only board that operates this way with an active mod team.

Again, ask the questions you need to ask but do so respectfully and with civility. No one is required to purchase from any particular source; so if you don’t think this is the source for you then it is appropriate to visit another source page and purchase from them

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Ive had 0 interactions with you, but I do recall, was you didn't even know muscle candybwas apart of Juiceape and actually defended him until it was lroven otherwise because he LIED to you.

You are given information and use that. Do you have connexts and worth with other boards? Run IPs vs other boards? I'm not attacking you, by any means.

I run a business. Its incredibly difficult to vet, process and wjth certainty know who is who online.

A mere vpn and anyone with good cyber security measure can get by.

Meso or not, you cannot say they don't have a solid way of dealing with things.

SST has great US domestic sources. Most have come and been amazing. My account age shouldn't be a indicator to my value, intelligence or how long I have been around.

When you created SST, dis you spend 10 minutes saying SST coming out in 5 days, stand by! Or was it mostly prepared and set up? I would NEVER let a client do such a thing in my business.

You have created a great cumture here. And through continous improvement can only get better. When members chip in to perform extra DD you should be pleased as long as we arent flaming.

You cant sit there in your mind believing this was an acceptable introduction or first impression by any means. And by people giving him advice and his inability to take or handle positive feedback and critiques shows us he is perfect in his own mind.

Lee_48157 said:

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I agree. I don’t think anything he’s responded to is questionable at the moment. However seems as if the members are repeatedly asking the same questions about process, testing, background, etc he’s already answered.

Just like my comparison with vehicle manufacturers, he will either do what it takes to give people a reason to believe in what he’s got is worth trying or won’t. One things for certain, more competition is not a bad thing. No competition almost always breeds complacency.

That’s just my .02 that nobody asked for. Hope you fellas have a good weekend. 🫡

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So, in your head, a legal garage is equivalent to someone too lazy to take 2 hours to make a positive re-assuring introduction? Most people who go to a mechanic go in good faith through reference, or no choice.

We are chopsing this guy. Apples and oranges. Big time.

I trust the mod vetting process. I also trust asking questions and watching how those questions are answered. Some of the best sources here respond in a way that actually answers the question.

Ex: I go to Dunkin donuts and ask a question. The chick can either give me a knowledgeable answer or if she doesn't know, she can say she doesn't know and will get someone that does. Great.
If she answers with a non-answer that doesn't calm my concerns, I don't condemn the whole operation. It's her. She's paid to be that chick at the counter. Probably not paid much either.

Where am I going with this? Could this be a quality source that has been around for 10 years? Could the labs sterility be QA level? Could the opsec be impeccable? Did they change names as an opsec strategy? Maybe.

Everyone needs to work and I'm all for it. Please don't take this the wrong way. Tell the guy you're working for that posting on a forum representing Odin Labs is a little too much for you right now. It's not as easy as you thought. Ask if you can handle something else. It takes a special talent to deal with people that are justifiably particular and more so because of the sauce they might be on.

Being the contact person with the public for any operation isn't for everyone.

Edit: I would've sent this as a pm but I don't think I have access to do that.

CaptainAmerica said:

Why? This isn’t meso my dude. We don’t do that here.

All potential sources go through an application process and are then approved to post.

At this point, everyone should know (if you don’t, read the wiki before making a post) about the vetting process here. Mods ensure equipment and processes are up to par, testing is complete and within margin etc.

Not saying you guys can’t ask defining or clarifying questions, but I will emphasize again, THIS IS NOT MESO. We do not invite and vet a new source with trial by fire on the board. Our vetting processes are much different on SST. I believe we are the only board that operates this way with an active mod team.

Again, ask the questions you need to ask but do so respectfully and with civility. No one is required to purchase from any particular source; so if you don’t think this is the source for you then it is appropriate to visit another source page and purchase from them

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So, than if he scams me, you will make me whole? Idc abkut him.being banned. I care if I send 2k and he rips me, you will give me 2k out of your pocket?

I'm new here. Not new to boards or gear. I merely come around with civility. But demanding the bear minamum from a source isn't alot to ask.

I run a business and I also help run a 2nd. I know creating a well thought-out business plan and articulating said process isn't "too much in a day" assumong the standards are already established as they shlould be.

And no millard wont reimburse us, he expects us to be adults and manage ourselves. If I recall you*or your mods* were decieved by candy being a splitoff of apejuice* where that was brought out in meso on like page 2 through out DD.

I like it here. Good culture. Good people. Domestic sources. But my question is what do you or other mods do? Professional muscle will make victims whole. They take responsibility for approving bad sources, do you? Or any mod?

If the answers know, it seems more than fair we ask to see proof of his lab. Proof of his sterilization. Proof of his inventory to know we arent orderong shit he doesn't have on hand.

I and others arent here to attack anyone. We are here to ensure everyone gets legit gear and not taken advantage of.

Im sure all new sources benefit YOU greatly, and the the boards to supply funds to help better them.

Of anything you should be proud to have a community who cares so much about what they put in their bodys they demand proof.

I for 1,000 bucks I could have out together an AMAZING introduction for him. He seems like a bathtub source tbh. And hasnt even once taken criticism with an open mind.

I hope you don't ban me for speaking my mind. Not attacking you. Jist as you jave 0 idea who I ak IRL, Idk you irl or this guy irl. And I should inkect gear of his, why? Because he sent pics to a mod?

Nobkdy gets busted by showing sterilized products. Its usually unhappy customers, shady business practices, or that "lets propertly do his package later" leading to leaky vials.

Im passionate about the health and safety. And others deserve to see and be aware of said concerns and how he handles them and make their own judgment than. "I sent it to a mod" doesnt cut it for most"

Hope you onow this wasnt a shot at you bro. Just a source who had 5 days to formalize a 1st impression is all.

tinypeter said:

@OdinLabs
People are going roast you and talk shit no matter what, it's the name of the game. Half of em are probably paid by a source to do so.
They think the source they use is the best and has the best op sec, brewing methods when none of em can say 100% with out a doubt about if any of it is even true or not.

Just come out swinging on the 6th, have your shit together and put out some oils that are the best all around on the board.

Also look into having gso as a carrier oil option that would be appreciated by quite a few I'm sure.

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Don't be a baby shill bro. Just because we care about injecting safe quality gear and you don't.

There isnt a single source I defend who fucks up. Not 1. Im looking out for consumers.

JJJ18 said:

Ive had 0 interactions with you, but I do recall, was you didn't even know muscle candybwas apart of Juiceape and actually defended him until it was lroven otherwise because he LIED to you.

You are given information and use that. Do you have connexts and worth with other boards? Run IPs vs other boards? I'm not attacking you, by any means.

I run a business. Its incredibly difficult to vet, process and wjth certainty know who is who online.

A mere vpn and anyone with good cyber security measure can get by.

Meso or not, you cannot say they don't have a solid way of dealing with things.

SST has great US domestic sources. Most have come and been amazing. My account age shouldn't be a indicator to my value, intelligence or how long I have been around.

When you created SST, dis you spend 10 minutes saying SST coming out in 5 days, stand by! Or was it mostly prepared and set up? I would NEVER let a client do such a thing in my business.

You have created a great cumture here. And through continous improvement can only get better. When members chip in to perform extra DD you should be pleased as long as we arent flaming.

You cant sit there in your mind believing this was an acceptable introduction or first impression by any means. And by people giving him advice and his inability to take or handle positive feedback and critiques shows us he is perfect in his own mind.


So, in your head, a legal garage is equivalent to someone too lazy to take 2 hours to make a positive re-assuring introduction? Most people who go to a mechanic go in good faith through reference, or no choice.

We are chopsing this guy. Apples and oranges. Big time.

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Your interpretation of what I said was not understood I guess. Any source here should not be concerned about new competition if they believe in their product. In your words if this source is “too lazy” then he will not succeed. That simple. I don’t find value in debating anyone’s logic about this. Got quads today with the wife then gonna do some tinkering in the garage before I lay these fat ribeyes on the grill. Good day to you all.

CaptainAmerica said:

I can barely read this incoherent, consistently misspelled post but I will try.

If you would re-read my post, it simply states that while here at SST there are more guardrails in place than other boards and so when asking questions of a source, we can do so civilly, without Meso’s methods.

Whose word do you take then on the safety of your gear? That statement makes no sense. If you don’t trust anyone but yourself, it would appear you’re home brewing. And even then you’d need to trust your raws supplier.

If you like Meso and the fact that anyone with a bathtub, some Chinese raws, and a kid’s starter science kit can open shop, by all means be my guest.

As you said, this is not a kid’s train set; it is AAS. There’s always risk. So no, we don’t compensate you. We provide some mitigation of that risk and provide a space with the tools to help users make informed decisions about their sources. :

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I'm busy and using my wifes tiny ass phone with my giant man hands.

What I wanted to see was his procedures. What he's doing for sterilization. What pumps and filters he's using? Does he wash his beakers and vials or order new properly air sealed and sterilized ones? Take shots at other boards, IDC. I have no skin in the game anywhere. But if you are taking responsibility my main question is if you're going to make me whole if he scam me. Or sends me bad gear? Tbh IDK why you defending him?

And how did you know he isnt using a bathtub? Did you fly yo his lab and he demonstrate his procedures and techniques? All we asked for a non lazy introduction, pictures of his inventory and sterilization methods? Why is that so hard? Why are you opposed to it?

I take my word. When I investigate and perform DD on stocks and companies IDC what any other broker or manager says. I'm doing my own research.

Can you perhaps link me to said safety guardrails and the proof he has sent you?

And don't get offended. I understand this is your business and he is bringing your revenue. But you should not he defending someone who was too lazy to take even a short time writong up a well thought-out professional 1st impression.

Look at hypers, or 808, or LnL.


Edit - Captainamerica it isnt I dont trust the mod team. I don't trust how easy it is to trick a few people. It happens 1000s of times a day all lver the world in ever facet of life. Im a transperancy kind of guy is all. My connects are without a doubt different than yours, which are without a doubt different than other peoples. Its alot easier to get bye a small group, then a huge group in the publics eye.

Lee_48157 said:

Your interpretation of what I said was not understood I guess. Any source here should not be concerned about new competition if they believe in their product. In your words if this source is “too lazy” then he will not succeed. That simple. I don’t find value in debating anyone’s logic about this. Got quads today with the wife then gonna do some tinkering in the garage before I lay these fat ribeyes on the grill. Good day to you all.

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Sounds like a solid day. Take care.

victoryvalhalla said:

Same mod team that also denied that Muscle Candy was linked to Juiceape

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As the source mentioned publicly that information was initially withheld and I had no indication otherwise. Nor is that associated with their equipment, brew process, testing, etc. Don’t appreciate the false spin.

JJJ18 said:

So, than if he scams me, you will make me whole? Idc abkut him.being banned. I care if I send 2k and he rips me, you will give me 2k out of your pocket?

I'm new here. Not new to boards or gear. I merely come around with civility. But demanding the bear minamum from a source isn't alot to ask.

I run a business and I also help run a 2nd. I know creating a well thought-out business plan and articulating said process isn't "too much in a day" assumong the standards are already established as they shlould be.

And no millard wont reimburse us, he expects us to be adults and manage ourselves. If I recall you*or your mods* were decieved by candy being a splitoff of apejuice* where that was brought out in meso on like page 2 through out DD.

I like it here. Good culture. Good people. Domestic sources. But my question is what do you or other mods do? Professional muscle will make victims whole. They take responsibility for approving bad sources, do you? Or any mod?

If the answers know, it seems more than fair we ask to see proof of his lab. Proof of his sterilization. Proof of his inventory to know we arent orderong shit he doesn't have on hand.

I and others arent here to attack anyone. We are here to ensure everyone gets legit gear and not taken advantage of.

Im sure all new sources benefit YOU greatly, and the the boards to supply funds to help better them.

Of anything you should be proud to have a community who cares so much about what they put in their bodys they demand proof.

I for 1,000 bucks I could have out together an AMAZING introduction for him. He seems like a bathtub source tbh. And hasnt even once taken criticism with an open mind.

I hope you don't ban me for speaking my mind. Not attacking you. Jist as you jave 0 idea who I ak IRL, Idk you irl or this guy irl. And I should inkect gear of his, why? Because he sent pics to a mod?

Nobkdy gets busted by showing sterilized products. Its usually unhappy customers, shady business practices, or that "lets propertly do his package later" leading to leaky vials.

Im passionate about the health and safety. And others deserve to see and be aware of said concerns and how he handles them and make their own judgment than. "I sent it to a mod" doesnt cut it for most"

Hope you onow this wasnt a shot at you bro. Just a source who had 5 days to formalize a 1st impression is all.

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I don’t believe you’ve been civil at all.

We have removed plenty of bad sources and if you’re admittedly new here, how would you know?

No source is required to show additional proof of his lab. Each source has their own comfortability with OPSEC. Now if you want to ask what equipment he has or what the sterilization protocol is those are perfectly acceptable questions. And if he comes back with an answer that is insufficient or unacceptable to you, then move on. If enough people don’t order, then his “business” fails, correct? That’s capitalism.

As a business owner, I’m sure you’ve had potential customers that chose not to patronize your business after an initial quote or other discussion with you. Do you expect them to come back and be a dick to you? Or do you just expect them to go to your competition and seek a better response or quote because they still need whatever service or product, just not with your company?

If you like it here, that is how we operate. It’s how we’ve operated for years. We don’t like how Meso works; this is why we do it differently here. And we aren’t keen on bringing Meso methods here.

Again, these aren’t legal substances. Every purchase is a risk vetted or not. So as I’ve mentioned a lot now, we want all users to be comfortable with their chosen source. This source isn’t the one for you and it may not be the one for others, but you browse the shop, ask the owner some questions, not like the answers, then go to the competition next door. Then eventually the shop either must adjust or go under.

The state grants someone a business license means they meet the minimum requirements to have a business. It doesn’t mean that the business will be successful or every customer will want to shop there.

JJJ18 said:

I'm busy and using my wifes tiny ass phone with my giant man hands.

What I wanted to see was his procedures. What he's doing for sterilization. What pumps and filters he's using? Does he wash his beakers and vials or order new properly air sealed and sterilized ones? Take shots at other boards, IDC. I have no skin in the game anywhere. But if you are taking responsibility my main question is if you're going to make me whole if he scam me. Or sends me bad gear? Tbh IDK why you defending him?

And how did you know he isnt using a bathtub? Did you fly yo his lab and he demonstrate his procedures and techniques? All we asked for a non lazy introduction, pictures of his inventory and sterilization methods? Why is that so hard? Why are you opposed to it?

I take my word. When I investigate and perform DD on stocks and companies IDC what any other broker or manager says. I'm doing my own research.

Can you perhaps link me to said safety guardrails and the proof he has sent you?

And don't get offended. I understand this is your business and he is bringing your revenue. But you should not he defending someone who was too lazy to take even a short time writong up a well thought-out professional 1st impression.

Look at hypers, or 808, or LnL.

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I’ll ask this again to you vs the other poster, when did I defend this source? Again a million times now I said questions are appropriate but to remain civil. He isn’t required to show proof of his lab. No source at SST ever has been including LnL, hyper, and 808.

If that’s a deal breaker for you then move to another source that’s a little more loose and comfortable with their OPSEC. We allow sources to run their operations as they see fit after they’ve met a slew of qualifications considering they maintain standards.

Why are you still on his page if he responded to you and you didn’t like his answer?

And you keep asking about making you whole. The answer is no. It’s your risk. Again, we supply the space and tools to make an informed decision. You make the choice. Don’t like the source for whatever reason? Don’t order. I don’t understand the difficulty.

@OdinLabs ill give you guys a go when you open up shop! Good luck brother!

CaptainAmerica said:

As the source mentioned publicly that information was initially withheld and I had no indication otherwise. Nor is that associated with their equipment, brew process, testing, etc. Don’t appreciate the false spin.

I don’t believe you’ve been civil at all.

We have removed plenty of bad sources and if you’re admittedly new here, how would you know?

No source is required to show additional proof of his lab. Each source has their own comfortability with OPSEC. Now if you want to ask what equipment he has or what the sterilization protocol is those are perfectly acceptable questions. And if he comes back with an answer that is insufficient or unacceptable to you, then move on. If enough people don’t order, then his “business” fails, correct? That’s capitalism.

As a business owner, I’m sure you’ve had potential customers that chose not to patronize your business after an initial quote or other discussion with you. Do you expect them to come back and be a dick to you? Or do you just expect them to go to your competition and seek a better response or quote because they still need whatever service or product, just not with your company?

If you like it here, that is how we operate. It’s how we’ve operated for years. We don’t like how Meso works; this is why we do it differently here. And we aren’t keen on bringing Meso methods here.

Again, these aren’t legal substances. Every purchase is a risk vetted or not. So as I’ve mentioned a lot now, we want all users to be comfortable with their chosen source. This source isn’t the one for you and it may not be the one for others, but you browse the shop, ask the owner some questions, not like the answers, then go to the competition next door. Then eventually the shop either must adjust or go under.

The state grants someone a business license means they meet the minimum requirements to have a business. It doesn’t mean that the business will be successful or every customer will want to shop there.


I’ll ask this again to you vs the other poster, when did I defend this source? Again a million times now I said questions are appropriate but to remain civil. He isn’t required to show proof of his lab. No source at SST ever has been including LnL, hyper, and 808.

If that’s a deal breaker for you then move to another source that’s a little more loose and comfortable with their OPSEC. We allow sources to run their operations as they see fit after they’ve met a slew of qualifications considering they maintain standards.

Why are you still on his page if he responded to you and you didn’t like his answer?

And you keep asking about making you whole. The answer is no. It’s your risk. Again, we supply the space and tools to make an informed decision. You make the choice. Don’t like the source for whatever reason? Don’t order. I don’t understand the difficulty.

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I admited to be new to these boards because I believe in honest transparency.

I see where you're coming from. But yeah, if s customer says hey can you be more transparent with this, I am.

Talk is cheap in my eyes. He can copy paste anyones opsec. Or brewing process without photos its uselss.

My last question is have you personally seen his sterilization and lab?

But we can end this here Otherwise. Have a good day sir.


And and a HUGE EDIT. If you aren't going to make me whole if a source you and your team vetted.. why exactly arentnthey required to produce the same information to us as the mods? As you stated with candy and juice ape, they withheld information. We found it out. So... to me that seems like if he had scammed someone after your team deemed him as a verified source, that would be your responsibility?

Either way. I wont be using him. I cant even perform any real DD on this guy right now.

Ill stick with others.

And I have been quite civil. Demanding bear minamum isnt not being civil. It is more or less if a customer asked me what I do to keep his information private and me refusing to answer saying "dw my team took care of it".

Hope you can at least see my side of things. This has nothing to do with meso, PM, asf or any other boards and everything to do with self preservation brother.

dude just move on.

JJJ18 said:

I admited to be new to these boards because I believe in honest transparency.

I see where you're coming from. But yeah, if s customer says hey can you be more transparent with this, I am.

Talk is cheap in my eyes. He can copy paste anyones opsec. Or brewing process without photos its uselss.

My last question is have you personally seen his sterilization and lab?

But we can end this here Otherwise. Have a good day sir.


And and a HUGE EDIT. If you aren't going to make me whole if a source you and your team vetted.. why exactly arentnthey required to produce the same information to us as the mods? As you stated with candy and juice ape, they withheld information. We found it out. So... to me that seems like if he had scammed someone after your team deemed him as a verified source, that would be your responsibility?

Either way. I wont be using him. I cant even perform any real DD on this guy right now.

Ill stick with others.

And I have been quite civil. Demanding bear minamum isnt not being civil. It is more or less if a customer asked me what I do to keep his information private and me refusing to answer saying "dw my team took care of it".

Hope you can at least see my side of things. This has nothing to do with meso, PM, asf or any other boards and everything to do with self preservation brother.

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Seeing photos of the lab and all equipment with an active time stamp is a requirement of our application. Did I fly out to see it in person? No. Don’t be ridiculous.

The muscle candy and juiceape situation has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their gear or operation. How would that be a scam to the mods if the team split off to form another lab so long as both had a passing application and produced quality gear?

Sources aren’t required to post pics because we are on a clearnet site and they’ve already provided it once via secure email. Again, some sources are okay with posting the pics, some are not. If you only want to chose those that post the pics, that is absolutely your prerogative.

What’s not your prerogative is when the source refuses to post pics, as is his choice, is to be an asshole or a Karen, “Well, if you’re not gonna post pics, I’m not gonna shop here. I’m leaving a one star yelp review and no one will ever shop here again!” That’s kinda how you all are sounding.

I’m not sure your personal business, but I presume you have a product or service you sell. Now if someone asked for the secret recipe to your product, or every step and tool you use to perform X service, I don’t think you’d be all that transparent with them. And then expect a Karen response and a 1 star yelp review.

Plankton still doesn’t have the Krabby Patty recipe after all these years. Just think if Mr Krabs just was transparent with the formula? And on SST, we’re talking things that are illegal, not a burger. There’s considerably more risk involved.

For example, did you know owning a pill press as an individual is illegal just by itself? So you want all our sources out here blasting that they have one in a photo for all of LE to see?

OdinLabs said:

And why would I respond to comments like yours when its clear you have an agenda

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Hahahaha you're so far off base here it's laughable. Really. Do better.

CaptainAmerica said:

Can you clarify where I defended the source?

And that’s a perfectly fine opinion to have regarding demeanor etc. Not saying it’s true or false, but again, if the source isn’t for you, then don’t order, don’t engage further, and move on.

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By coming on here after he's getting roasted for his lazy posting and telling everyone "hey hey guys, that's not how we do it here" and then saying the mod team vetted them, implying that we should all trust them. I've been around these forums for years, this Odin source is one of the worst tries I've ever seen. People should know that, especially on a harm reduction site of all things

Livingcanvas said:

By coming on here after he's getting roasted for his lazy posting and telling everyone "hey hey guys, that's not how we do it here" and then saying the mod team vetted them, implying that we should all trust them. I've been around these forums for years, this Odin source is one of the worst tries I've ever seen. People should know that, especially on a harm reduction site of all things

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That’s quite a leap to say that by implying we’ve vetted him that I’m saying he’s 100% good to go. Thats absolutely not how it works and I think I’ve made that clear too.

Let me repeat. We eliminate SOME of the risk by ensuring standards before allowing a source to join SST. Which is more than can be said at other boards, which means those boards must dig for themselves for additional information.

It is on you, the user, to determine who you trust based on whatever parameters you so choose. A source could have a bad attitude, they could misspell things, they could not answer questions well, look at bloodwork, look at TA, look at source and blind testing. But I think knowing that they at least have met a standard of brew process, equipment, stock, etc should have some value to users.

If you are of a different mindset, and don’t value our processes or attitude towards the way we operate, and how we maintain a mostly civil community (comparatively speaking) then idk that SST is the right place for you. Which is fine.

But as mod, I am entitled and required really to maintain the board’s integrity, which includes all of the above. Simply stating that we don’t operate in a particular way by users hazing (simply asking an appropriate question is not hazing, I believe you know what I refer to using that term) sources and that we vet sources prior to posting is just reality; it isn’t a defense of any particular source.

Dteran61 said:

@OdinLabs ill give you guys a go when you open up shop! Good luck brother!

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Thanks, also I did not post prices yet because I do plan on having a sale with lower than normal prices when I open. I'm still printing labels for the orals as we speak.

CaptainAmerica said:

Seeing photos of the lab and all equipment with an active time stamp is a requirement of our application. Did I fly out to see it in person? No. Don’t be ridiculous.

The muscle candy and juiceape situation has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their gear or operation. How would that be a scam to the mods if the team split off to form another lab so long as both had a passing application and produced quality gear?

Sources aren’t required to post pics because we are on a clearnet site and they’ve already provided it once via secure email. Again, some sources are okay with posting the pics, some are not. If you only want to chose those that post the pics, that is absolutely your prerogative.

What’s not your prerogative is when the source refuses to post pics, as is his choice, is to be an asshole or a Karen, “Well, if you’re not gonna post pics, I’m not gonna shop here. I’m leaving a one star yelp review and no one will ever shop here again!” That’s kinda how you all are sounding.

I’m not sure your personal business, but I presume you have a product or service you sell. Now if someone asked for the secret recipe to your product, or every step and tool you use to perform X service, I don’t think you’d be all that transparent with them. And then expect a Karen response and a 1 star yelp review.

Plankton still doesn’t have the Krabby Patty recipe after all these years. Just think if Mr Krabs just was transparent with the formula? And on SST, we’re talking things that are illegal, not a burger. There’s considerably more risk involved.

For example, did you know owning a pill press as an individual is illegal just by itself? So you want all our sources out here blasting that they have one in a photo for all of LE to see?

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I'm pretty sure law enforcement is smart enough to realize that advertising pressed pills means dude has a pill press.